Musk leaving S.F. Sept. 13th while local leaders attempt image 'makeover'

[RJSV]

   Only scanned replies briefly, but here is some thoughts & casual rebuttal:

   Someone has, here, used the term:
   'Neo-Nazi Post's.  (In Twitter).
See what I mean, regarding Forum dialog.   I just don't see any way, HOW, flinging a label like that is anything other than a highly political smear....and likely easily disproved (at least by way of free speech).

   "Have you actually seen the S.F. scene, or actually live there ? " (Arguing about decay and dystopia is a myth).
Well,...I've lived nearby.
   Street pavers and utility workers, nearby, claim to 'not be safe, working' (actual armed robberies preying on construction team members).

   Local Drug Stores closing madly fast, due to organized retail theft.   Yesterday, I observed the ICE CREAM freezer shelves, in local Drug Store:   all with LOCKS on the freezer doors.   (You need to go find a store manager, now, to unlock the product, so you can purchase).

   Another now closed Drug Store was one I've used, (and may need to obtain medicine later).   Later, then, I'll have to find another pharmacy.

   Senior citizens now report a newer type of robbery crime, where the victim gets to be 'kidnapped', and driven around to find sources of cash...(From friends or family).

   Local news no longer report crimes like robbery, home burglary / assaults....What's that about ?
 
   I wanted to be discussing JOB markets, like the mention here, that Musk is moving operations down the peninsula, (to San Jose)
A technology company moving and effects on JOBS marketplace.   How does 'Neo-nazi' posts relate to the biz moving ?

   San Francisco is very beautiful, and a great mixing culture, from many many parts of the world.   But, like I mentioned, the 'image' things seem to be getting lots of attention, lately.
Seems like Musk is saying:
   'Too little, too late'....and isn't swayed by recent 'image' management of home city.

[nctnico]

   Local Drug Stores closing madly fast, due to organized retail theft.   Yesterday, I observed the ICE CREAM freezer shelves, in local Drug Store:   all with LOCKS on the freezer doors.   (You need to go find a store manager, now, to unlock the product, so you can purchase).

A picture or it didn't happen... I can imagine this being true in the US though. 

[ataradov]

People steal stuff because stores let them steal stuff. And then when people do, they have to lock everything. And then it backfires and just forces people into online stores.

All those myths that it is legal to steal are just that - myths. Stores actively don't want to pursue those crimes and just let criminals go. They can actually start pressing charges and setting the precedent. Even if resulting fines are not life-ruining, like some people want, just wasting people's time and resources would be enough of a deterrent.

Some time ago there was a story (no idea how real) that Target let some woman steal until the total was over the felony level and then pressed charges. Do more of than and make sure it hits the news.

[nctnico]

People steal stuff because stores let them steal stuff. And then when people do, they have to lock everything. And then it backfires and just forces people into online stores.

Probably, but it also says something about decaying society. If people steal from stores, they likely steal from other places and from other people as well. Recently I watched a documentary series called 'how music became free'. The source for the latest music available on internet even before it was released, was an employee at the biggest CD pressing factory in the US. The person claimed he had a right to steal CDs because he wasn't paid well enough. This kind of false entitlement is like a cancer.

In the NL you can go to any 'manned' gas station and fill your car before paying. People stealing gas is rare (because it is easy to catch people through the license plate). However, in the south of Europe, it is quite common to have to prepay.

[ataradov]

It is more of economic insecurity, since a lot of that stolen stuff gets resold for money. And I guess economic insecurity leads to the decay. I can see how there is more economic issues in an expensive area like SF.

And part of the issue caused by the Target itself. They gouged the prices so hard, people can't afford their stuff anymore. They recently had the whole campaign lowering their prices with "new lower price" tags all over the place. Clearly they saw drop off in consumer activity.

And from what I understand most of the issues with the San Jose store were due to a homeless encampment nearby. And homelessness is an issue that is present almost everywhere in the US, but high cost of living the Bay does not help. The climate helps too. I know if I'm homeless, I'm making my way to a warmer climate area.

[RJSV]

   Well, thanks folks, for comments.   I've learned that issues here are not about leaving the state (California govt. often gets blame, for companies leaving).   So, Musk hasn't decided to pull the 'X' headquarters out of the state, so it's less of a global effect, but more just a smaller 'adjustment' to market changes.
Also, many of the employees now living in SF could relocate, although San Jose housing gets crazy expensive as well.

   But yeah;   I don't have much quality access, to news that is basically trustworthy, which is part of why I've had to ask for more clarity.