There are global economic governance institutions that regulate telecommunications. According to Edward Snowden, corporations are required to give all governments access to all of the information they collect under these treaties which exist at an international level.
Disputes that arise are not settled by national courts, there is a special private arbitral court system set up for those kinds of "investor versus state" disputes. Corporations can sue countries, countries cannot sue corporations at that level.
Imagine how valuable face recognition data is. You can scan everybody walking down a street and know who they all are within a quarter second. You can get a good idea of their emotional state from their facial expression. This is an extremely valuable technology commercially.
Imagine if you had a snapshot of a person which included their emotional state, perhaps also heart rate which as was pointed out can be derived from tiny micromovements and color changes in the infraed part of the spectrum.
Suppose you had this data at a very great many instants in time, along with their locations.
What do people do after something important happens to them?
Quote from: tooki on Today at 20:26:13>Quote from: cdev on Today at 18:39:19You do realize that if they did say they had collected "information xyz" they would then have to give it to all governments where Apple products were sold. They couldn't give it to just some of them and not others. because under international law, they are all equal.
So, unless they want to have to give all of any specific kind of information they collect to all governments that want it,
equally, they have to claim to not be able to access it for any of them.
Even if that's ridiculous.
Why is it ridiculous? Why is it, to you, implausible or impossible that Apple in fact does not collect that information? I mean, Apple literally re-engineered iOS security to make it impossible for them to unlock devices, so that they are incapable of unlocking them for law enforcement. As you correctly (if perhaps a bit condescendingly) wrote, Apple has to treat all governments the same. The best way to do that is to
actually make it secure, not to pretend to! Imagine the fallout if they lied about it and a government proved it!!! It's far wiser to just actually lock it down the way they claim they do. Then anyone who tries to verify the claims will find that they are accurate.
Or are you folks really that paranoid? I would think that with security researchers, jailbreakers and hackers, and Apple haters in general, all trying to break into Apple's stuff constantly, and/or trying to find
any possible dirt on Apple, that there would be ample evidence if Apple were lying about its security features.
Quote from: cdev on Today at 18:39:19>Quote from: tooki on Today at 18:28:09
Edit: P.S. Look into Apple's research on "differential privacy", a method of aggregating data while making it mathematically impossible to identify a specific user or even seeing their data.
Some kind of
zero-knowledge proof?
Man, do I wish you'd just use, and master,
normal quote forum tags instead of this blockquote HTML tag stuff. (Or are you using some app or something to access the forums instead of the website?)
Anyway, I don't think zero-knowledge proof is the same, but cryptography is not even distantly one of my areas of expertise, so I can't say with any semblance of certainty. Hence my suggestion to look it up.