'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts

[Simon]

I have yet to hear of chip manufacturers that have changed. The claim of the open hardware bollocks association is false. Where devices are not strictly SPI SDI and SDO have been used for years and minor chinese manufacturers who do not give a hang about standards will just call inputs SDI and outputs SDO and it just so happens that you can talk to their gear with an SPI interface.

[Simon]

device to device you can call it what you like but if you have a multi device SPI network it soon becomes important to be precise about terminology especially if you throw in multi-master capability.

[Ed.Kloonk]

The whole theory in basic is flawed, unfortunately, because a certain number of the community do not try to find things that are offensive.



edit: responding to #1399. Sorry Browser is set to paranoid.

[Zero999]

I love how reactionary Conservatives virtue signal by crying about how other people are virtue signalling. It's hilarious.

Anyway, point of my two links I posted on this topic today is it looks like despite the collective tantrum and echo chambering we are seeing in here from a handful of dedicated reactionaries and a couple of impressionable followers, it's gaining momentum in the real world.

Oh. And I'm not really concerned by people changing my SPI naming convention in any designs I do.... Chances are, if a couple of letters in a simple and standard serial comms convention are enough to throw you off your game that you can't work without changing it, well, there'll be other things that need rework in your "finished" job, and I'll change it back again while I'm fixing those mistakes anyway.

This is no echo chamber. Others who share your view have posted here. It's just the majority on this forum, including those from countries with mostly non-white populations and I dare say most engineers, dissagree with you.

Stop making unfounded presumptions. Like many others here, I'm no conservative. I agree with gay marriage, equal rights for minorities and that governments should be tough on those who dodge tax. I support strict gun laws, universal healtcare and good education for all.

I'm against the word police, like you. It's not about left vs right, but free vs censorship.

[Ed.Kloonk]

I love how reactionary Conservatives virtue signal by crying about how other people are virtue signalling. It's hilarious.

Anyway, point of my two links I posted on this topic today is it looks like despite the collective tantrum and echo chambering we are seeing in here from a handful of dedicated reactionaries and a couple of impressionable followers, it's gaining momentum in the real world.

Oh. And I'm not really concerned by people changing my SPI naming convention in any designs I do.... Chances are, if a couple of letters in a simple and standard serial comms convention are enough to throw you off your game that you can't work without changing it, well, there'll be other things that need rework in your "finished" job, and I'll change it back again while I'm fixing those mistakes anyway.

This is no echo chamber. Others who share your view have posted here. It's just the majority on this forum, including those from countries with mostly non-white populations and I dare say most engineers, dissagree with you.

Stop making unfounded presumptions. Like many others here, I'm no conservative. I agree with gay marriage, equal rights for minorities and that governments should be tough on those who dodge tax. I support strict gun laws, universal healtcare and good education for all.

I'm against the word police, like you. It's not about left vs right, but free vs censorship.

Dude. How do I soar?

PM me.

[Simon]

It's a question of where you stand, if your on the extreme left you just call everyone right wing because we have lost a sense of diversity and nuance. People on the one hand think I am left wing when I defends peoples rights and right wing when I want to see accountability in the general population and law enforcement. I am neither but it's all gone black/white these days - oops who did I just offend there......

[Ed.Kloonk]

It's a question of where you stand, if your on the extreme left you just call everyone right wing because we have lost a sense of diversity and nuance. People on the one hand think I am left wing when I defends peoples rights and right wing when I want to see accountability in the general population and law enforcement. I am neither but it's all gone black/white these days - oops who did I just offend there......

Are you typing that on a phone?

Jesus Christ.

[Simon]

no

[Ed.Kloonk]

Sigh.

[Simon]

And don't take the name of some peoples god in vain, we don't what to stir that crowd up too.

[Ed.Kloonk]

And don't take the name of some peoples god in vain, we don't what to stir that crowd up too.

Please refer to Me with a capital G, thank you.

[themadhippy]

how long before i cant sit in a tranny van listning to the tranny radio?

[Simon]

how long before i cant sit in a tranny van listning to the tranny radio?

whilst handling you pot?

[Ed.Kloonk]

how long before i cant sit in a tranny van listning to the tranny radio?

After I do a line of white off a dunny seat, I'll get back to you.

[paulca]

Jesus Christ.

Yes Dad?

[Ed.Kloonk]

Jesus Christ.

Yes Dad?

I am your Farter.

[EEVblog]

I love how reactionary Conservatives virtue signal by crying about how other people are virtue signalling. It's hilarious.

Anyway, point of my two links I posted on this topic today is it looks like despite the collective tantrum and echo chambering we are seeing in here from a handful of dedicated reactionaries and a couple of impressionable followers, it's gaining momentum in the real world.

First of all, I am not a conservative. I have a mix of views, some of which would be considered very liberal, some of which would be considered somewhat conservative.

To summarize your post:
A bunch of rabid SJW screaming their heads off and calling everyone around an insensitive racist because the world does not immediately bend to their whims, whilst they desperately try to find racism in terms like blacklist/whitelist: Not a tantrum.
Concerned engineers that would prefer to avoid the mess that can arise from changing a century's worth of documentation, terms etc. who do not see the inherit value in appealing to the hypersensitive fringe: A tantrum.

Oof, nailed the executive summary there.

And the only place it's "gaining momentum" is within a small echo chamber, and a couple of manufacturers who sniffed the woke points on offer. And that novelty will die off if it hasn't already.
The rest of the industry carries on totally oblivious to any of this happening, or just rolling their eyes and carrying on.
I see Adafruit still have 14 pages worth of products and articles containing "slave", and they push social justice harder than anyone. It's plastered on every page header, and as a gigantic banner on every blog page.

[EEVblog]

It's a question of where you stand, if your on the extreme left you just call everyone right wing because we have lost a sense of diversity and nuance. People on the one hand think I am left wing when I defends peoples rights and right wing when I want to see accountability in the general population and law enforcement. I am neither but it's all gone black/white these days - oops who did I just offend there......

I always thought about doing a video going through that political compass test. It wouldn't have battered an eyelid 5 years ago, but now people are so hyper sensitive the response would either be rabid outrage, or shear disbelief that I'm not *insert -ist term here*.
The hyper sensitive rabid outrage would be multiplied by several orders of magnitude if posted on twitter. And that's not an exaggeration. And I have always considered myself quite far left, until the Overton window shifted so far left it fell off a communist cliff. I'm still standing where I always have, but I need binoculars to see the new age crazy town.

[SerieZ]

It's a question of where you stand, if your on the extreme left you just call everyone right wing because we have lost a sense of diversity and nuance. People on the one hand think I am left wing when I defends peoples rights and right wing when I want to see accountability in the general population and law enforcement. I am neither but it's all gone black/white these days - oops who did I just offend there......

I always thought about doing a video going through that political compass test. It wouldn't have battered an eyelid 5 years ago, but now people are so hyper sensitive the response would either be rabid outrage, or shear disbelief that I'm not *insert -ist term here*.
The hyper sensitive rabid outrage would be multiplied by several orders of magnitude if posted on twitter. And that's not an exaggeration. And I have always considered myself quite far left, until the Overton window shifted so far left it fell off a communist cliff. I'm still standing where I always have, but I need binoculars to see the new age crazy town.

I think most quite everyone considers themselves a leftist because it sounds quite right... until it gets to your own Pockets and Property. 
The Test could be a fun Gag, maybe do it on Aprils Fools - because that what Western Politics has evolved into.

[SilverSolder]

It's a question of where you stand, if your on the extreme left you just call everyone right wing because we have lost a sense of diversity and nuance. People on the one hand think I am left wing when I defends peoples rights and right wing when I want to see accountability in the general population and law enforcement. I am neither but it's all gone black/white these days - oops who did I just offend there......

Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous;
you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides.
-- Margaret Thatcher

[SilverSolder]

It's a question of where you stand, if your on the extreme left you just call everyone right wing because we have lost a sense of diversity and nuance. People on the one hand think I am left wing when I defends peoples rights and right wing when I want to see accountability in the general population and law enforcement. I am neither but it's all gone black/white these days - oops who did I just offend there......

I always thought about doing a video going through that political compass test. It wouldn't have battered an eyelid 5 years ago, but now people are so hyper sensitive the response would either be rabid outrage, or shear disbelief that I'm not *insert -ist term here*.
The hyper sensitive rabid outrage would be multiplied by several orders of magnitude if posted on twitter. And that's not an exaggeration. And I have always considered myself quite far left, until the Overton window shifted so far left it fell off a communist cliff. I'm still standing where I always have, but I need binoculars to see the new age crazy town.

Another thing that has changed is the meaning of the word "Conservative".  Remember when "Conservative" used to mean staid, boring, don't change anything... the old, true, and tested ways of doing things are the best, etc.? 

I don't know what the word "Conservative" means today, but it no longer covers the idea of preserving the best of what we have and building on it.

[themadhippy]

I don't know what the word "Conservative" means today

lying through your teeth,lining your pockets with no regard for  others  and passing the blame onto some else seems to be the uk meaning

[daqq]

I don't know what the word "Conservative" means today, but it no longer covers the idea of preserving the best of what we have and building on it.

Same for 'democrat'. The whole discussion, when done in English, tends to gravitate towards using Conservative and Democrat as a sort of binary indicator, somehow forgetting that political/moral/value orientation is a multidimensional space rather than a 1 dimensional line.

I honestly don't understand how the US voter can work when they basically have no shades of grey and only two parties that can realistically get into office, allowing you to either go full democrat or full republican, nothing in between.

While the politics in Slovakia are a mess, I appreciate that we currently have over 60 active political parties, 25 of which tried their luck in the last elections. We have 6 political parties that got over 5*% and therefore got into parliament.

Thanks to the plurality we have almost everything, ranging from libertarians, conservatives, agrarian parties, various shades of socialists, even nazis and communists and whatever the fck a few fringe cases were. While this system is not perfect, it does reflect the will of the people more accurately than a binary system where I could either hate my self or hate my self a little less.

The way I voted, I'm actually fairly happy with my vote. In the US I would have been extremely torn between two parties.


* - technically one coalition gained 6.97%, but being a coalition of two parties they needed 7%, so bummer for them.

[Simon]

It's a question of where you stand, if your on the extreme left you just call everyone right wing because we have lost a sense of diversity and nuance. People on the one hand think I am left wing when I defends peoples rights and right wing when I want to see accountability in the general population and law enforcement. I am neither but it's all gone black/white these days - oops who did I just offend there......

I always thought about doing a video going through that political compass test. It wouldn't have battered an eyelid 5 years ago, but now people are so hyper sensitive the response would either be rabid outrage, or shear disbelief that I'm not *insert -ist term here*.
The hyper sensitive rabid outrage would be multiplied by several orders of magnitude if posted on twitter. And that's not an exaggeration. And I have always considered myself quite far left, until the Overton window shifted so far left it fell off a communist cliff. I'm still standing where I always have, but I need binoculars to see the new age crazy town.

A work colleague got me to do a questionnaire that I think was on the Guardian website. He was amazed when I scored just left of the middle, it was some 4 quadrant thing with different figures of political past for each. He was not amazed actually, he was scared as I scored about the same place as him and he always thought i was a looney.

[MK14]

Slovakia

Talking of which.
That is where (Slav / Slovakia) the word SLAVE, comes from.
Also, they were (I believe), WHITE.

Ironically, it was actually 'people of colour' or whatever neutral word(s) I should be using. That enslaved them.

Source:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/africa/features/storyofafrica/9chapter1.shtml