Author Topic: 'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts (Read 154511 times)

coppice · « **Reply #1200 on:** July 12, 2020, 12:52:29 pm »

Quote from: Zero999 on July 12, 2020, 07:51:30 am

Quote from: coppice on July 11, 2020, 04:43:22 pm
Quote from: Zero999 on July 11, 2020, 03:33:13 pm
Europeans didn't really start to attempt to classify different races, until they were already enslaving Africans.
When did Europeans actually enslave Africans? We know Europeans have a history of enslaving each other. We know people from the Barbary Coast enslaved a lot of Europeans. Europeans generally bought pre-enslaved Africans and traded and used them. The actual enslavers are still in business enslaving and selling their neighbours today. North America is a real odd man out historically, where the slave owners and slaves were generally easy to tell apart. Even the steady flow of black slaves into North Africa didn't create such a clear skin colour divide. It also didn't leave much of a black population, as it appears they castrated all their male slaves. Nobody cares about race when there's money to be made.
Sorry, I don't see any moral difference between Europeans enslaving others or buying slaves.

Well that totally misses the point of what I was saying.

Quote from: Zero999 on July 12, 2020, 07:51:30 am

Yes, slavery still goes on today, but not so much as in the past. Probably because nowadays machines can do many jobs, previously done by slaves, so it's less profitable/risky: machines can't mount a rebellion.

Organisations which track slavery say there are more slaves today than at any point in the past. A lot of this is clearly due to the massive increase in the world's population. The percentage of people in slavery is probably lower now, but the number of higher. Its certainly isn't going away, though.

Zero999 · « **Reply #1201 on:** July 12, 2020, 02:33:20 pm »

No, I can see your points: slavery is still a problem today and the descendants of the African slave traders who worked with the Europeans are still around today. The difference is it's not got industrialised, like it was before and doesn't seem to be propped up by so many big governments.

coppice · « **Reply #1202 on:** July 12, 2020, 03:29:47 pm »

Quote from: Zero999 on July 12, 2020, 02:33:20 pm

No, I can see your points: slavery is still a problem today and the descendants of the African slave traders who worked with the Europeans are still around today. The difference is it's not got industrialised, like it was before and doesn't seem to be propped up by so many big governments.

Oh, I see, It has the merits of a rustic cottage industry. Very progressive.

Who are you referring to as the big governments propping up slavery? Sometimes slavery has been the result of conquest, which is definitely government sponsored. However, most slavery seems to have been of the out of sight out of mind type. For example, British slave traders in the North Atlantic were told explicitly that the government couldn't do an awful lot about what its people did outside Britain, but anyone who set foot on British soil was free.

Alex Eisenhut · « **Reply #1203 on:** July 12, 2020, 04:22:52 pm »

What about mastering music recordings and master tapes/copies?

Red Squirrel · « **Reply #1204 on:** July 13, 2020, 09:01:33 am »

Personally if I designed a system that needs that type of designation I would purposely call it master/slave just to piss off the SJWs.

Ed.Kloonk · « **Reply #1205 on:** July 13, 2020, 09:05:03 am »

Quote from: Red Squirrel on July 13, 2020, 09:01:33 am

Personally if I designed a system that needs that type of designation I would purposely call it master/slave just to piss off the SJWs.

And spec out a control circuitry fed by black and white wires. With pluses and minisus. $\$\Omega\$$

GeorgeOfTheJungle · « **Reply #1206 on:** July 13, 2020, 10:17:43 am »

And a prominent, properly labelled MASTER switch. Then send it to https://certification.oshwa.org/ for certification.

daqq · « **Reply #1207 on:** July 13, 2020, 10:28:20 am »

I haven't been watching the thread for a few days. Could someone fill me in? Have enough terms been banned to solve racism already?

Ed.Kloonk · « **Reply #1208 on:** July 13, 2020, 10:34:06 am »

Quote from: daqq on July 13, 2020, 10:28:20 am

I haven't been watching the thread for a few days. Could someone fill me in? Have enough terms been banned to solve racism already?

This popped up two minutes ago..

GeorgeOfTheJungle · « **Reply #1209 on:** July 13, 2020, 03:00:04 pm »

https://www.theregister.com/2020/07/13/linux_adopts_inclusive_language/

:-(

KaneTW · « **Reply #1210 on:** July 13, 2020, 03:16:12 pm »

All of this is just pointless feel-good-activism and I fucking hate it.

No single usage of master/slave in a technical context has even the tiniest link to human slavery.

Blacklist/whitelist was never something negative to begin with!

Utter insanity.

madires · « **Reply #1211 on:** July 13, 2020, 04:34:20 pm »

Yep, those do-gooders are reading discrimination and racism into words which have a completely different meaning. And it's shortsighted too. What will happen after replacing "blacklist" with "blocklist" when a new religion called "blocks" turns up? Will they replace "blocklist" with "denylist"? And when there's a new political party named "deniers"? Replace the term again because we don't want to offend anyone? Maybe they should simply stop communicating with others. No words - no harm!

Zero999 · « **Reply #1212 on:** July 13, 2020, 07:38:24 pm »

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Rename the “White” House

https://www.change.org/p/michelle-obama-rename-the-white-house?original_footer_petition_id=16446381&algorithm=promoted&source_location=petition_footer&grid_position=11&pt=AVBldGl0aW9uAL%2B4WQEAAAAAXtwXEuXqmzM4NWExZTdiNg%3D%3D

Fortunately no one has signed it, at the time of posting this.

GeorgeOfTheJungle · « **Reply #1213 on:** July 13, 2020, 08:14:19 pm »

Oh dear.

SilverSolder · « **Reply #1214 on:** July 13, 2020, 08:21:47 pm »

Can a very dark night safely be called "pitch black" any longer?

coppice · « **Reply #1215 on:** July 13, 2020, 08:27:50 pm »

Quote from: SilverSolder on July 13, 2020, 08:21:47 pm

Can a very dark night safely be called "pitch black" any longer?

Qualified by pitch I assume black should be OK. I'm not sure, though. I haven't completely CENSORED this new language yet.

xrunner · « **Reply #1216 on:** July 14, 2020, 01:06:47 am »

What about the Masters golf tournament?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_Tournament

PlainName · « **Reply #1217 on:** July 14, 2020, 02:17:59 am »

Just caught some BBCNews24 item about the Washington Redskins changing their name. Being interviewed was some (presumably - it didn't actually say) Native American lady who argued that the name was racist and you wouldn't see anything like that with African Americans, Jews, etc. Anyway, her surname turns out to be Blackhorse...

EEVblog · « **Reply #1218 on:** July 14, 2020, 03:47:50 am »

Quote from: xrunner on July 14, 2020, 01:06:47 am

What about the Masters golf tournament?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_Tournament

https://www.theblaze.com/news/the-masters-name-change-racist#:~:text=The%20sports%20blog%20Deadspin%20published,moniker%3A%20The%20Augusta%20National%20Invitational.
https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/news/golf/odds-masters-augusta-renamed-blm-movement-favorite/

I'll say it again, it doesn't end, it never ends.

james_s · « **Reply #1219 on:** July 14, 2020, 05:02:17 am »

Quote from: EEVblog on July 14, 2020, 03:47:50 am

Quote from: xrunner on July 14, 2020, 01:06:47 am
What about the Masters golf tournament?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_Tournament

https://www.theblaze.com/news/the-masters-name-change-racist#:~:text=The%20sports%20blog%20Deadspin%20published,moniker%3A%20The%20Augusta%20National%20Invitational.
https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/news/golf/odds-masters-augusta-renamed-blm-movement-favorite/

I'll say it again, it doesn't end, it never ends.

'When you hear anyone say the Masters, you think of slave masters in the South'

Who is "you"? 2 months ago if someone asked me to list every possible thing that comes to mind when I hear someone say "Masters", I would not have thought of slave masters in the south in a million years. I don't think I've ever used the word in that context in my entire life. Slavery in the South is something that happened long before I was born in a part of the nation I've never been to. It makes no sense to me that this is even a thing, I'd honestly be curious to know what percentage of "normal" non-engineer type people ever think of slavery when they hear that word.

EEVblog · « **Reply #1220 on:** July 14, 2020, 05:29:27 am »

Quote from: james_s on July 14, 2020, 05:02:17 am

Who is "you"? 2 months ago if someone asked me to list every possible thing that comes to mind when I hear someone say "Masters", I would not have thought of slave masters in the south in a million years. I don't think I've ever used the word in that context in my entire life. Slavery in the South is something that happened long before I was born in a part of the nation I've never been to. It makes no sense to me that this is even a thing, I'd honestly be curious to know what percentage of "normal" non-engineer type people ever think of slavery when they hear that word.

You (and everyone else) are making the mistake of trying to rationalise all this. The people who are behind this are not rational people.

nuclearcat · « **Reply #1221 on:** July 14, 2020, 06:54:06 am »

Some more
https://twitter.com/crowd_supply/status/1282928876272840704

https://github.com/tigard-tools/tigard/commit/0e16d7792c4a2e309e5659f1e207b2d36458d142

Interesting how they are going to justify their "word inventions" according SPI block guide?
https://www.nxp.com/files-static/microcontrollers/doc/ref_manual/S12SPIV4.pdf
It just became incompatible with standards.

paulca · « **Reply #1222 on:** July 14, 2020, 07:38:36 am »

The worst bit of this is not them changing the words. It's them projecting THEIR racism onto words we all use. By pointing at an innocent term and declaring it racist... is racist.

I am livid that they are projecting their racism onto me.

Racist fuck bags.

bd139 · « **Reply #1223 on:** July 14, 2020, 07:52:20 am »

Quote from: Red Squirrel on July 13, 2020, 09:01:33 am

Personally if I designed a system that needs that type of designation I would purposely call it master/slave just to piss off the SJWs.

I did that in a presentation last week and no one said a damn thing

tggzzz · « **Reply #1224 on:** July 14, 2020, 08:25:46 am »

Yesterday's Dilbert has comments that are tangentially relevant to this discussion.

I expect there will be a few follow-on cartoons


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