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Offline Rick LawTopic starter

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I suppose it is going to happen some time, some where, now and again...

"CNN  — A finance worker at a multinational firm was tricked into paying out $25 million to fraudsters using deepfake technology to pose as the company’s chief financial officer in a video conference call ...
... multi-person video conference, it turns out that everyone [he saw] was fake ...
... Believing everyone else on the call was real, the worker agreed to remit a total of $200 million Hong Kong dollars – about $25.6 million, the police officer added ...
... At the press briefing Friday, Hong Kong police said they had made six arrests in connection with such scams ..."

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https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/04/asia/deepfake-cfo-scam-hong-kong-intl-hnk/index.html
 

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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2024, 07:41:58 pm »
This is a process issue. A single person signing off on a significant transfer of money based on a verbal communication only is always going to be exploitable.
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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2024, 07:52:21 pm »
Quite impressive that it was pulled off.  I guess the video conference aspect means you might get away with more of the uncanny valley stuff as you could lower the bitrate and create random drop outs to make it more convincing.
 

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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2024, 08:46:50 pm »
There is also a chance that it was an inside job. The dude provided all the information to create the fake call, then transferred the money. Next he is fired and is chilling on the beach with his share of the $25m.
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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2024, 10:26:33 pm »
The CNN story itself is a deep fake.
How do you know it is not?
Facebook-free life and Rigol-free shack.
 
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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2024, 10:44:34 pm »
Yes, actually, how do we know that our presidents are not themselves deep fakes? Because they sure look like ones.
 
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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2024, 10:49:03 pm »
When you see them on TV they very much can be.
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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2024, 11:05:49 pm »
And with that said, as always, the thing to be scared about currently is not AI becoming independent and controlling you, but people controlling AI controlling you. This is a very real concern, and already happening.
 

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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2024, 12:21:51 am »
Welcome to 2024
 

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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2024, 08:46:01 am »
What next?
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And if you look REAL close at an analog signal,
You will find that it has discrete steps.
 

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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2024, 08:54:19 am »
What next?

Do you really want to know?
 

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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2024, 05:33:50 am »
We already have people on-line who use filter to change how they appear in dating and social media sites[1].  Moving to directly swindle money from the banks is but a small step.

Incidences like this may actually be a good thing for now.  More people need to know that "on the internet nobody knows you're a dog."[2].

We are removing our direct interpersonal interaction and replaced them with virtual interactions.  That there is a real person at the other end or not becomes less distinguishable.  We are getting closer to living in the The Matrix every day.  More people need to understand the danger of virtualization everyone else's existence is not a good thing.

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[1] "Fake Woman" as reported in this youtube video by SERPENTZA


[2] On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you%27re_a_dog
 

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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2024, 01:02:13 pm »
This is a process issue. A single person signing off on a significant transfer of money based on a verbal communication only is always going to be exploitable.
Yes, if this was a real company, this one employee would have access to the crypto seed containing an entire exchange's all clients crypto, and that would be stolen. This is just regular old wire fraud. They used AI, but probably a postit note on his desk would have been enough.
 
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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2024, 12:53:29 pm »
The CNN story itself is a deep fake.
How do you know it is not?
People need to think a little bit, sometimes.Even in a casino, you can find a safe and responsible way to play.  I've always wondered how casinos work and if there's a way to beat the odds. After doing some digging, I've learned that stats and psychology play a huge role. The website with this content I checked out made it clear that casinos are pretty much set up to win in the long run. So, don't count on hitting it big every time.
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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2024, 02:36:48 pm »
The latest quality increase is becoming insane, see here:


 

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Re: It is a wonder day when AI also controls your money - $25 million gone
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2024, 03:36:45 pm »
It's going to be more and more important that people authenticate themselves through some kind of public key exchange if there is an economic risk to the information provided.  I've noticed 'Teams' now has a "verified" and "unverified" status for web calls, but I'm not sure to what that actually means.
 


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