Author Topic: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware? (Read 40587 times)

Lightages · « **Reply #50 on:** May 22, 2016, 05:39:18 pm »

I can safely that most people would be happy with Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and more likely Linux Mint. There will be an adjustment period, but Mint is pretty easy to change to. If you are doing things like complicated video editing, music production, photo editing in a serious way, or some other more technical things, then the learning curve is a bit steeper if you already are using specific packages of software in Windows. All in all I would recommend Linux Mint.

ZeTeX · « **Reply #51 on:** May 22, 2016, 05:39:42 pm »

Quote from: bitwelder on May 22, 2016, 04:15:18 pm

Quote from: ZeTeX on May 22, 2016, 02:41:16 pm
I never asked or did update my PC to windows 10, every time I got the small message I just clicked no or what ever button is there.
Quick test, what button would you click in the picture here:
in order to refuse the Win 10 upgrade?

the X button to exit, I didn't read it fully, but usually it will just keep pooing up those messages, not actually update it till I click to update it (thats at least how a normal person would do it, I guess Microsoft really force you to update).

JPortici · « **Reply #52 on:** May 22, 2016, 06:00:39 pm »

Quote from: Lightages on May 22, 2016, 05:39:18 pm

I can safay that most people would be happy with Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and more likely Linux Mint. There will be an adjustment period, but Mint is pretty easy to change to. If you are doing things like complicated video editing, music production, photo editing in a serious way, or some other more technical things, then the learning curve is a bit steeper if you already are using specific packages of software in Windows. All in all I would recommend Linux Mint.

yeah, if it wasn't that even secretaries needed to use your business custom software which is probably only for windows
Also the usual debate on wether OSS alternatives are as good/reliable and will actually saves you money

Lightages · « **Reply #53 on:** May 22, 2016, 07:06:20 pm »

If everyone stopped taking the MS cool aide, then this dilemma would stop.

ZeTeX · « **Reply #54 on:** May 22, 2016, 07:09:47 pm »

I want to install Ubuntu GNOME because it looks better then window 10, but everybody uses windows and it feels weird begin like that 1 that does not belong to anybody.
As a person who uses his PC only for Firefox, some games, and electronic software (Kicad, LTspice) and CAD's, should I use Ubuntu?

Lightages · « **Reply #55 on:** May 22, 2016, 07:13:14 pm »

Quote from: ZeTeX on May 22, 2016, 07:09:47 pm

As a person who uses his PC only for Firefox, some games, and electronic software (Kicad, LTspice) and CAD's, should I use Ubuntu?

I would use Linux Mint in pace of Ubuntu. Ubuntu has too many restrictions on codecs and has that silly GUI. Just my opinion.

TerraHertz · « **Reply #56 on:** May 23, 2016, 01:18:36 am »

Some Win10-related funny pics/memes. I've been collecting them, mostly from 9gag.

http://everist.org/temp/win10/

linux-works · « **Reply #57 on:** May 23, 2016, 02:07:51 am »

funny comment on a forum that I frequent:

https://soylentnews.org/breakingnews/comments.pl?sid=13675&cid=349106#commentwrap

AF6LJ · « **Reply #58 on:** May 23, 2016, 02:21:43 pm »

Quote from: linux-works on May 23, 2016, 02:07:51 am

funny comment on a forum that I frequent:

https://soylentnews.org/breakingnews/comments.pl?sid=13675&cid=349106#commentwrap

That's Cute

Refrigerator · « **Reply #59 on:** May 23, 2016, 02:38:36 pm »

Windows Xp for the win.
Would love if Microshaft tried to update my laptop from 2004 to Win10, althought it will never happen, but if it did i'd piss myself laughing.

botcrusher · « **Reply #60 on:** May 23, 2016, 02:45:54 pm »

Windows XP was great until it became the great pyramid of patches.

I have to say i quite like windows 10, but this does piss me off. It's a really $%&-tard move by Microsoft.

Unfortunately, linux isn't realistic as an alternative. Some distros get close, but for the average end user, there's still too many things that require access to the terminal for relatively basic things in windows.

I'll happily use it and do so on my portable and secondary machines, as well as my servers. But most people won't tolerate that kind of stuff.

hans · « **Reply #61 on:** May 23, 2016, 02:59:15 pm »

Quote from: TerraHertz on May 23, 2016, 01:18:36 am

Some Win10-related funny pics/memes. I've been collecting them, mostly from 9gag.

http://everist.org/temp/win10/

To all who is afraid to jump on the Linux bandwagon: just do it. Especially if you dont' like the direction Windows 10 is heading on. Let's face it: Windows 10 is a rolling release meaning it will probably take many years before Microsoft will ever reconsider a paid upgradepack or new release. In the meantime they will pay their bills with mass data mining. I don't like the amount of telemetry & shenanigans in Windows, it seems like new "scandals" appear every week.

If you have a spare machine you just use for internet and word processing, install Linux Mint or Xubuntu and try it out. Mind that Linux does not always work the same as Windows, so I recommended not trying to use it like it is Windows. But once you discover some of the tricks in Linux, you will hate Windows for not having that.

MrSlack · « **Reply #62 on:** May 23, 2016, 06:29:10 pm »

Ahhahahhaha this is hilarious. Use Linux?

A minor Linux kernel update has a high probability of shafting your graphics drivers or power management randomly from experience. I've seen this first hand with a financial company that rolled out updates to 200 desktops. Turns out intel graphics drivers in 3.10 were broken resulting in display corruption. Not picked up on testing due to a subtle difference between HD graphics on test and production systems.

Despite the negative effects, windows 10 or macos are the best bet for the average user. You're driving a Prius now though.

All computers and ecosystems have bad and good bits.

edy · « **Reply #63 on:** May 23, 2016, 06:46:55 pm »

I'm planning on going dual-boot for some period, to see how I survive Linux. I might boot into Linux for most stuff and rely on Windows when I need to do certain things which I haven't figured out how to do on Linux or can't yet be done. I am worried mainly about printer drivers, certain video editors and converters I'm using now, and other apps I will probably realize I miss once I am in Linux-land more full time.

I think actually most users would be better suited in Linux than Windows, to be honest. Why? Because the majority of users probably use their machines for browsing the web, occasionally printing stuff, and working on basic word processing. Let's face it, apart from gaming, I would venture to say many people could do just well on a ChromeBook OS. Certainly, way more users could function just fine in a Linux-only environment like ChromeBook or even an Android-based OS, than we think.... Yet the majority would gladly pay much more for a Windows machine that is many times more powerful than they actually need.

G7PSK · « **Reply #64 on:** May 23, 2016, 08:19:26 pm »

I have used Linux in the past and quite liked it only problem was wireless drivers on laptops and the hoops I had to jump through when using the scanner on my Epson all in one also it is absolutely useless for specialities like the digitiser screen on Panasonic toughbooks.
My mother in law who is 95 just fell foul of the Windows 10 update co screen and found herself with Windows 10 installed. I guess it is that type of user that Microsoft wants to trap, they seem hell bent on getting past the Billion instillation mark

ez24 · « **Reply #65 on:** May 23, 2016, 10:00:14 pm »

Quote from: Lightages on May 22, 2016, 05:39:18 pm

All in all I would recommend Linux Mint.

As I wait for a Mint 1.4 gb dvd iso to download.

Any recommendations on how to get the iso installed on a thumb drive? Been years since I burned a CD or DVD and I do not have any blanks (and I use to burn 100's)

I want to set up a dual boot on my Win 7 laptop

thanks

suicidaleggroll · « **Reply #66 on:** May 23, 2016, 10:08:32 pm »

Quote from: ez24 on May 23, 2016, 10:00:14 pm

Any recommendations on how to get the iso installed on a thumb drive? Been years since I burned a CD or DVD and I do not have any blanks (and I use to burn 100's)

There are many programs that will prepare a USB drive for you given an iso. Unetbootin, Universal USB Installer (UUI), Linux Live USB Creator (LiLi), etc.

ez24 · « **Reply #67 on:** May 23, 2016, 11:52:13 pm »

Quote from: suicidaleggroll on May 23, 2016, 10:08:32 pm

Quote from: ez24 on May 23, 2016, 10:00:14 pm
Any recommendations on how to get the iso installed on a thumb drive? Been years since I burned a CD or DVD and I do not have any blanks (and I use to burn 100's)

There are many programs that will prepare a USB drive for you given an iso. Unetbootin, Universal USB Installer (UUI), Linux Live USB Creator (LiLi), etc.

thanks I will start with Unebootin (still downloading ha ha ha)

amspire · « **Reply #68 on:** May 24, 2016, 01:16:24 am »

I am going to Linux on my main desktop, but I have been evaluating both Mint and an Arch Linux based approach.

Mint is a great solution as it will be solid and just about all Linux applications have Ubuntu installations. The negative I have found with Ubuntu is that packages for a particular version of Ubuntu/Mint tend to freeze. So I find myself using a version of SVN that is several versions behind the current release. It is always possible with open source programs like SVN to get the latest source and compile it, but from that point, it is up to me to keep the program updated - Ubuntu/Mint update managers will no longer help me. The only safe way to do major version updates in Ubuntu and Mint is to backup your data, do a clean install and reload your data. I always upgrade my Windows with a clean install anyway for version upgrades, but Linux updates do need more configuration time to get everything working again.

I love Arch Linux as it is always running the latest versions of the kernel and applications. A fresh install of Arch is a big job, so I would go with Antergos instead. Once a Arch system is installed, there is never a need to do a version upgrade install again. But there are some big gotcha's. First, you have to keep it updated very regularly - if you do not update it for a few years and then try a big update in one go, something is going to break. Secondly, running the bleeding edge of everything is not going to be as solid as the Ubuntu/Mint approach. I have servers using Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Arch linux. The Ubuntu is using kernel 3.13.0. Arch is using 4.5.5. The latest Linux kernel existing today is 4.6. Both servers were built at the same time. Third, in Arch, things will occasionally break just because of version changes in the applications and security settings. I am probably averaging about one major problem a year. I have had shared SMB (Windows) drives disappear due to the removal in legacy features in Samba updates. I have had services disappear from the network due to security changes that need firewall changes. This is a big problem for a business PC as any update can stop your work until you fix the issues. With Arch, I will have to run VMs of Ubuntu and maybe Centos just so I can run applications that only have Ubuntu or Redhat installs.

If you are new to Linux, going to Mint is a no-brainer. Expect to do a major clean install every 2 to 3 years and Mint Backup/Restore tools are much more helpful here then Ubuntu.

bitwelder · « **Reply #69 on:** May 24, 2016, 06:08:28 pm »

Quote from: ZeTeX on May 22, 2016, 05:39:42 pm

Quote from: bitwelder on May 22, 2016, 04:15:18 pm
Quote from: ZeTeX on May 22, 2016, 02:41:16 pm
I never asked or did update my PC to windows 10, every time I got the small message I just clicked no or what ever button is there.
Quick test, what button would you click in the picture here:
in order to refuse the Win 10 upgrade?
the X button to exit, I didn't read it fully, but usually it will just keep pooing up those messages, not actually update it till I click to update it (thats at least how a normal person would do it, I guess Microsoft really force you to update).

Apparently not anymore: https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/67367/upgradegate-microsofts-upgrade-deceptions-undermining-windows-10

"Last week, Microsoft silently changed Get Windows 10 yet again. And this time, it has gone beyond the social engineering scheme that has been fooling people into inadvertently upgrading to Windows 10 for months. This time, it actually changed the behavior of the window that appears so that if you click the “Close” window box, you are actually agreeing to the upgrade. Without you knowing what just happened"

rrinker · « **Reply #70 on:** May 25, 2016, 12:27:03 am »

Personally I would click where it says to click to change the schedule or cancel the upgrade, but I try to read instructional screens rather than blindly click stuff....

G7PSK · « **Reply #71 on:** May 25, 2016, 07:21:37 am »

The latest upgrade window dose not give you the option to not install windows !0 only to change the time of day or night, My wife has a computer which I had not put GWX control onto (partly just to see what happens) well I had to install GWX control today as she had the update window which will not take no for an answer, the options were agree upgrade now or later today or choose the time which turned out to be in the small hours of tonight nothing else was permitted.

imidis · « **Reply #72 on:** May 25, 2016, 10:26:07 am »

Geez, bad enough there was not way to disable it...

edy · « **Reply #73 on:** May 25, 2016, 12:03:13 pm »

I came to an office this morning and the receptionists are all complaining that Windows 10 has installed on their machines! And they have an IT support company helping them already for several months to avoid it!

Anyways, I'm going to help them out. I'm waiting until Windows 10 finishes updating and will "degrade" back and install Never10 from GRC. https://www.grc.com/never10.htm . I've used GWX but find Never10 to be more along following official protocols for setting systems to not upgrade, according to Steve Gibson who wrote it (using Microsoft's own documented policies). It is also a tiny program as compared to GWX.

By the way.... The people at this office reported they got a dialog box asking them to upgrade, and the options was "I'll Do It Another time" or something like that, and gave them an option to wait for 1 hour, 2 hours, 8 hours... something like that. They swear they did not see ANY option *NOT* to upgrade. They closed ("X") the dialog, and when it popped up again they tried to get rid of the nag every which way possible.... Seems like all clicks point to YES to upgrade.

botcrusher · « **Reply #74 on:** May 25, 2016, 12:46:12 pm »

Well, obviously you're not on a domain. Domain machines don't ask you because the netadmin has to approve updates.

Domains save lives!
(I'm in a funny mood this morning...)


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