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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2016, 01:50:35 pm »
Just this morning a coworker of mine was in the middle of writing some emails and doing other work on his Win 7 laptop, he left his office for about 15 minutes to do something else, and when he came back his machine was halfway through upgrading itself to Windows 10, unprompted.

When it finally finished it asked him to agree to the terms and conditions, he declined, and the machine downgraded itself back to Windows 7.
This actually happened at the workplace yesterday morning. turns out that now if you have windows update activated (why would anybody with a sane mind do that anyway?) your computer will get updated to win10 automatically.
And while win10 is gorgeous, very fast and very lightweight on its own, this is bullcrap. constantly looking for updates, constantly donwloading and uploading something. you don't update? your computer won't start.
 

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2016, 03:17:56 pm »
The self updating is down to the Win 10 pop up being deceptive, it now reads upgrade now and upgrade later, if you just click the red cross to make it go away it automatically assumes that you want to upgrade later and dose so. You have to look for the faint blue/grey words saying no thanks or something along those lines.
Windows 10 also has the habit of turning on your microphone and listening to every thing said even if you have disabled this feature it will revert next update, they are mining data for AI cortanana is just a front.
 

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2016, 03:22:16 pm »
The self updating is down to the Win 10 pop up being deceptive, it now reads upgrade now and upgrade later, if you just click the red cross to make it go away it automatically assumes that you want to upgrade later and dose so. You have to look for the faint blue/grey words saying no thanks or something along those lines.
Windows 10 also has the habit of turning on your microphone and listening to every thing said even if you have disabled this feature it will revert next update, they are mining data for AI cortanana is just a front.
I wonder, what happens if you remove the device driver, will it reinstall it?
 

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2016, 03:32:54 pm »

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I wonder, what happens if you remove the device driver, will it reinstall it?
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That is the problem I had with Win !0 on my Panasonic Toughbook which uses special drivers for some things, after installing Win 10 somethings did not work so I installed the correct drivers, next time I boot  or even just wake the computer the drivers have gone back to windows ones again. I have installed Win ten twice on the toughbook and every time this happens. The touch pad and screen drivers get changed the built in SD card reader gets changed and they stop working. The security settings also get changed and the computer gets used to send Win 10 to other computers even if you turn that off I found my upload band width used to the max by windows to the extent that a request to go to the EEVblog site took 8 minuets and I wont stand for that.
 

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2016, 04:15:31 pm »
If you bought a car, what right has the car dealer got to sneak into your garage and adversely modify the car's behaviour without telling you? It sounds preposterous, but that similar to what Microsoft is getting away with.
Unfortunately the analogy fails because Tesla is doing that to their cars too. :(
 

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2016, 04:18:57 pm »
If you bought a car, what right has the car dealer got to sneak into your garage and adversely modify the car's behaviour without telling you? It sounds preposterous, but that similar to what Microsoft is getting away with.
Unfortunately the analogy fails because Tesla is doing that to their cars too. :(

Tesla doesn't push an update to the car while you're driving down the freeway, forcing you to pull over to the side of the road and sit there for two hours until it finishes before you can drive again.
 

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2016, 09:18:42 pm »
I'm on WinXP at work, and Win 7 on laptops. I'm using GRC's Never10 (instead of the GWX control panel) to prevent issues, and have gone to fully manual updates and wasting time scrutinizing every KB package before installing.

I have started to take several Linux distros more seriously to see if I can function completely independently of Windows. I am pretty confident I can do all I need with open source apps which are available on Linux. I'm going to find a distro that has been pre-installed with all basic office and desktop publishing apps, and I bet I can fill in other gaps.

If I can keep using Win7 safely, I will. Meanwhile I will do what I can to have a parallel system running Linux that I can fully migrate to if Microsoft ruins my Win7 installation.

EDIT: By the way, I'm still using Office XP with the compatibility pack for opening the newer file formats. It still does everything I need. I guess that is the problem. Microsoft can't make any money if the software is good enough to work (with no subscription model) at buy once, use for the next 15 years. I also use Photoshop 7, does all I need.
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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2016, 10:33:26 pm »
Pro tip:
Look for the GPO's:
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And set them accordingly to prevent any future nagging for updates in Windows 7. Including the never asked for "Installing 50 updates, do not turn off computer".
 

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2016, 03:55:53 am »
"Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?"
A: Yes. Both, and worse.
It's that simple.

Watching the Win10 saga of horrors gradually awakening more people to the unpleasant truth about Microsoft is very amusing. Good to see, but by God, why does it take some people so long to get it?

Here's some psychology reading about psychopaths: http://everist.org/archives/links/__Psychopaths.txt
Also read the list of common cognitive biases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Psychopaths are generally very personable and skilled manipulators. On casual impression they seem like great people. To others who aren't able to recognize when they are being manipulated and falling into an abusive relationship, psychopaths continue to seem 'all good' even when they are doing terrible things to those around them. They manage to convince others that any problems are due to failings in themselves, that it's 'all your fault.'

I encountered an example of this years ago, when someone very popular and influential in a social group I frequent, did something appallingly bad, that only I found out about.  It happened that I had read a little on psychopaths, so recognized what was going on. I read up more, and realized this guy was definitely a psychopath and severely dangerous to the group. Years went by, a few others in the group came to realize something was wrong with that guy, but most were still under his almost magical spell and wouldn't hear a word against him.

Finally... *finally* he slipped up, and did something in front of a whole bunch of others that was far beyond socially acceptable. Wish I'd been there to see it, but I heard about it later and saw the result. Suddenly the entire group recognized him for what he was - really a deeply evil person. Sudden moment of group enlightenment, putting odd past events together, re-interpretation in light of new awareness, etc. He was permanently expelled from our circle. But it took that extreme in-your-face event to do it.

The power of normalcy bias, group-think, bandwaggon effect and other social herd thought patterns is very strong. Most people, being intrinsically well intentioned themselves, flatly refuse to believe in real evil in others. (In general, that tendency to interpret others' actions as if they thought and were motivated the same way as yourself is called 'projection' btw.)


Now to Microsoft.
I started out in electronics before the personal computer existed. Before microprocessors even. I worked in the first computer store in Australia, starting very soon after they opened. I'd been working around the corner in an electronics job as the first microprocessors were released. My first computer was an S-100 machine. My Apple II was the second one imported to Australia (I believe) right after they were released. I watched the start of Microsoft, collected early MS technical manuals and read widely on their corporate development, leading persons, and background.

A lot of the public myths about Microsoft are false. They are fables constructed to make Bill Gates and the company look good. The 'simple hard-working boy genius Bill Gates who succeeded through his own efforts and some good luck' for instance. It's crap.

Did you know Bill Gate's mother was a major shareholder and board member of IBM?
Or that IBM ran several different development projects for a 'personal computer' and chose to market the worst one?
Or that there's at least one clear case of the first PC having had features (that would cost nothing extra) removed at the design stage, purely as a deliberate crippling. (The original parallel port card was designed to be bi-directional. The manufactured design had *one* *track* removed, to make the card output-only.)
It appears the choice of a segmented memory CPU as opposed to one with a sensible MMU was another deliberate cripple.

And why?
On one level, because IBM had vast investments in mainframe computer technology, while recognizing that small 'personal computers' had the potential to evolve rapidly in an open market, to quickly obsolete IBM's mainframe investments.
On another level, because IBM is run by people who count themselves among the financial Elites. The *last* thing these people want to see, is empowerment of the masses with free and open information computing technology. This is something they will fight to the death. (And have been ever since.)

So, IBM developed a 'personal computing' architecture that was deliberately optimized to be as bad as possible. Then, to ensure it was adopted as a worldwide standard base for future development, they made it freely copyable. Remember that at the time, IBM had advanced circuit board and IC packaging technology. Ultra-high density PCBs with 10+ layers, and flip-chip packages that would be near impossible to reverse engineer if IBM chose to include some in the PC design. Instead they used nothing but widely available chips, on plain 2 and 4-layer boards. And published the full schematics.  There was also the PC BIOS - at that time just plain assembler-code, complete with IBM copyright message, held in easily read back EPROMs.

Of course the early PCs were copied and extended, and produced in large numbers particularly in Asia. The clone machines even had the exact same BIOS code, byte for byte. I read some, even the "(C) IBM" text was intact in the clones. Amazing.

But was there even one case where IBM sued for copyright violation? You'd think they would, if profit was their prime intention, wouldn't you?
Nope. Not one. IBM seemed to be quite happy for as many companies, even big ones, to clone and extend their design. Because that's exactly what they wanted all along. Bwahahaha! Talk about poison seeds...

Then there was the software. DOS, .BAT files, EDLIN, BASIC, segmented architecture workarounds...
Ha ha ha! If you think this appalling crap was all just simple incompetence, then you are an idiot, or completely ignorant of other streams of computing language/OS development at the time.
It could just faintly have been due to stupidity of the Microsoft/IBM crowd, though I don't believe it.

Then Microsoft Windows came out.
When I realized what they'd done, in particular with the Registry and intermingling of user-config and system-config data, and that this could only have been done with the deliberate intention of making installations impossible to clone to other machines with even slightly different hardware configurations, was when I gave up on system programming for PCs.
That was really a brilliant move of Microsoft's. It set computing back massively, and is *still* crippling the potential.

In general everything Microsoft does, has an underlying intention to cripple and undermine the social benefits of widespread cheap computing power. Of course they have to obfuscate this, by appearing to be delivering advancements. Also they are of course also out to make money, but this is balanced with their intent to shovel poisonous crap to the public. It's a tradeoff, and they are well practiced in application of the Hegelian Dialectic - when you want to do something you know will be unpopular and you don't want to be seen to be trying to do that, you manufacture some seemingly unrelated 'problem'. To which the natural solution appears to be to do what you originally intended. Thus you get what you want, while pretending it wasn't what you wanted. This is standard Game Theory, is used in politics all the time, and most people are too naive and immersed in their own affairs to notice it.

Hence the Win7, 8, 10 sequence. Do a reasonably good OS to gain approval, then a really awful one, then bring out the 'solution to that mistake' - but which includes the evil things you wanted to do all along.

On my primary machine I use a cut-down version of WinXP, mainly because (I hope) all the remote surveillance, backdoors and auto-update crap are removed. Also the system GUI is still reasonably un-obfuscated and direct, there's no 'protected system files' bullshit and the huge overheads, and the OS doesn't try (much) to lie to me about disk data structures. Not too much deliberate OS churn in support of MS's expiring 'certified windows professional' course fees income stream.

Only recently I discovered that Win7 removed the ability to manually arrange icons in folders other than the desktop. Huh? On checking I found there's a registry patch to re-enable this. Get it? The code capability to manually arrange icons (something few but power users would want) is still there, but MS *added* code to disable that capability. On top of the abortion of having icon arrangements stored in obfuscated form deep, deep down in the registry, and get randomly deleted. As opposed to sensibly having such data stored in situ, in the relevant folders. Why wasn't it done that way originally? Because... the human brain deals best with information as visual arrangements. Allowing users to structure their own data, in their own folders, to appear as visual arrangements that never change unless they choose to change them, and allowing such arrangements to be easily backed-up and cloned to other machines, would be too user-empowering. So MS did it in a way that sabotages that. But not sabotaged enough, so in Win 7 the ability was deliberately, specifically disabled.


Anyway, summary:
Microsoft is the corporate equivalent of a psychopath; an evil-intentioned, manipulative and abusive character, but which markets itself well as benevolent, and proceeds via carefully planned series of acts that each appear 'OK', to push the public into a submissive, beaten-down abused dependency. In which they will accept any kind of abuse of their rights and destruction of their privacy and ability to act independently, all the while being convinced that any problems they encounter are somehow all their fault.

Thin-client, subscription-model computing, enforced DRM, full-spectrum remote monitoring of all user activity, enforced 'updates', closed boot model disallowing anything but approved OS installs, etc, being examples of the kind of abusive and restrictive computing platform crippling that one would expect from a psychopath.

If someone did these kinds of things directly to another person, they could be charged with mental cruelty, invasion of privacy and causing deliberate injury. But from Microsoft, most of us are conditioned to accept it.

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2016, 04:32:59 am »
A bunch of hooey, in my opinion. Segmentation is IBM-speak for protected memory, and the CPU Intel wanted to make, the APX432, had especially fine-grained protection (an object-capability model). This type of architecture can be verified secure to Rainbow Book A2 level at least. It was the market that rejected that approach, and Intel is in the business of making money, so they just followed the market and made the 8086. It was a completely mainstream architecture in every way. Even the segmented addressing was a standard, mainstream technique, used on many other machines, like Zilog's Z8000.

Microsoft's shady dealings are not any kind of secret; the history of the company is very well documented. It likes to shoot first and ask questions later, and that has led to large judgements and settlements (Digital Research, Stacker, Department of Justice, European Union). A company led by an autistic savant without any social intelligence did not operate itself in an ethical way: this too is widely written about, in books like "Microserfs" and others.
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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2016, 04:46:47 am »
Most of what you say is correct. I am also a veteran from the pre-PC era.  I was also an insider, working for IBM for 19 years.

IBM did not choose the worst PC architecture on purpose. The reason they produced the PC was to fill the tiny market segment traditionally occupied by hackers (like you and me). At the time there were no standards in PC hardware or software around - the market was fragmented and Apples were still considered toys. Instead of marketing the PC to hackers, IBM skilfully marketed the PC to business and home users (The Charly Chaplin ads). With plenty of money behind them in advertising, the thing took off big time and the world at last had a "standard".

Where IBM really screwed up was they released the schematic diagrams of the PC and did not protect the BIOS, with the intent of third parties making option cards. Big, BIG mistake. Opportunistic Asians simply copied the PC, making vast sums of cash; hence the term "IBM clone". Because IBM did not publish any bus timing standards, many of these shoddy clones had problems; hence the term "100% IBM compatible".

The other monumental stuff-up was OS/2 versus Windows. IBM simply lacked any innovation with marketing. If they had given every university student a free copy of OS/2 Warp and if IBM were not so damned greedy with their high OS prices, the world might be different today. Most people are unaware Microsoft actually wrote most of OS/2 and in it there was an agreement that OS/2 could only run 16-bit applications in its Windows shell. This was one of the used-car-salesman Bill Gate's greatest achievements in conning IBM and its potentially biggest rival operating system into oblivion whilst making billions of dollars.

IBM Australia did seek legal action of a clone reseller in Australia for producing a copied eight bar IBM style logo for their clones. And an employee could be disciplined or even fired for buying shares in Microsoft. In fact two employees in Perth were threatened with the sack for privately developing a low cost modem for the Commodore VIC 20. In my case I had to get written permission to be allowed to fix video recorders on the side because they contained microprocessors. 
 

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2016, 05:18:04 am »
And it keeps pushing its "install windows 10 now" application update to the front row, even if you've unticked and hid it. I should soon stop though, since it's stops being free.

FYI mine stop pushing.  I used to get at least 6 times a day an error message because it could not upgrade.  My guess is that MS tried 1,000 times.  Thank god it has stopped, I tried every online method to stop the messages with no luck.

I think we should consider us lucky. In the future they will have Windows installed in our brains (and pocketbook).  I guess the good news is you do not have to worry about upgrading to Win 11 or any versions from now on.
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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2016, 05:32:59 am »
Of course the early PCs were copied and extended, and produced in large numbers particularly in Asia. The clone machines even had the exact same BIOS code, byte for byte. I read some, even the "(C) IBM" text was intact in the clones. Amazing.

But was there even one case where IBM sued for copyright violation? You'd think they would, if profit was their prime intention, wouldn't you?
Nope. Not one.

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2016, 05:52:29 am »
There is no excuse for leaving your computer long enough to miss the restart prompt because you forgot to save.

There is no excuse for using an OS that reverts user settings, reboots itself without notice, upgrades itself without notice, spies on its users, and on the whole, treats its users like they're incompetent.

For a second I thought you were describing government.
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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2016, 06:14:56 am »
https://books.google.com/books?id=gy4EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA15&pg=PA15&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

From the article:
"We sat down with IBM and settled rather than argue the case in court, said Letito."

"Letito said there was no monetary settlement, that the issue was one of 'clearing the air,' and said that it will not affect any equipment the company has shipped. The company has agreed not to ship any other products containing the present version of BIOS."

In other words, the kind of copyright non-prosecution  you do when you want it on record for appearance that you did object (once.) But don't really care.

If you can find one case where IBM *actually* sued for BIOS copyright infringement, for money, got a judgment and enforced payment, please show it.
IBM, who certainly had a building or few full of lawyers.
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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2016, 07:23:48 am »
Hi TerraHertz, VK3DRB, et al  :)

I already harbour deep suspicions of MS (I'm using Win7 at the moment) especially with the constant pushing of the 'free' Win10 and with the heavy price of privacy (piracy?) issues in it's terms and conditions! >:(

But you guys are really scaring me now.  :scared:

Does anyone have recommendations for OS's and applications that are not MS?

I'm aware of Linux but have had no experience of it (or any other OS).

There are certain applications that my wife would need to use (disability specific) that may not have versions for other OS's, so it may not be possible for her to switch OS's unless they can run a 'Windows shell' for those programs.

...running scared and don't know where to go...
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Maybe we should pack up and go back to Mars!  ;)
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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2016, 07:36:14 am »
https://books.google.com/books?id=gy4EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA15&pg=PA15&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

From the article:
"We sat down with IBM and settled rather than argue the case in court, said Letito."

"Letito said there was no monetary settlement, that the issue was one of 'clearing the air,' and said that it will not affect any equipment the company has shipped. The company has agreed not to ship any other products containing the present version of BIOS."

In other words, the kind of copyright non-prosecution  you do when you want it on record for appearance that you did object (once.) But don't really care.

If you can find one case where IBM *actually* sued for BIOS copyright infringement, for money, got a judgment and enforced payment, please show it.
IBM, who certainly had a building or few full of lawyers.

IBM hired plenty of lawyers. One example: In 1997, IBM ran a mock court case in New South Wales to determine if the Wangaratta employees could launch a class action against them if they sold the employees off to another company (which they did). They were protecting themselves legally from the employees prior to IBM committing an act of bastardy. The lack of loyalty is why most employees they days look after themselves first. And it is the likes of IBM who pull the trigger first. Loyalty should be a two way deal, not one way.

Ultimately, Microsoft , like IBM, are loyal to one thing: shareholders. Most companies that I know of with shareholders are like that.

Lincoln Electric in the USA is one exception. http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-au/company/Pages/company-history.aspx
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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2016, 07:55:31 am »
After waiting 10 months, I am just about to start putting Win 10 on our PCs so I can lock in the free update before 29th July 2016, and then reverting back to Windows 7. Apparently, since November, you no longer have to do an upgrade - you can do a clean install using the Win7/8/8.1 key. So I can just attach a temporary hard drive, install and activate Windows 10 on it, and put the original Windows 7 back in.

Has anyone tried this?

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2016, 01:07:38 pm »
Win10 users have brought it up, you can google how to turn auto updates and some other items off.
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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2016, 02:41:16 pm »
So I was at a school trip for 2 days.
When I came back home I see the message  "All of your files are left in exactly the same place".
suddenly after a few seconds, Windows 10.

what the fuck is wrong with my PC? he does his shit without even asking me? whats next? he will also design my circuits and send them to manufacturing himself?
I never asked or did update my PC to windows 10, every time I got the small message I just clicked no or what ever button is there.


 

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2016, 03:18:11 pm »
So I was at a school trip for 2 days.
When I came back home I see the message  "All of your files are left in exactly the same place".
suddenly after a few seconds, Windows 10.

what the fuck is wrong with my PC? he does his shit without even asking me? whats next? he will also design my circuits and send them to manufacturing himself?
I never asked or did update my PC to windows 10, every time I got the small message I just clicked no or what ever button is there.

Well that is the problem Microsoft have got really sly and if you just click the box to go away it makes the assumption that you want Windows 10 you have to look closely and find the options button then go through a comedy routine of clicking boxes saying things like are you sure you don't want 10 do mean it what really mean it no never install windows ten. Well they don't use the exact words but it is 4 or 5 separate boxes, i caught my wife yesterday as she was about to click the red cross on such a box and it was about five stages to stop the "upgrade"which has now gone to "recommended update" wont be long before it becomes an "essential update".
 

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2016, 04:15:18 pm »
I never asked or did update my PC to windows 10, every time I got the small message I just clicked no or what ever button is there.
Quick test, what button would you click in the picture here:
in order to refuse the Win 10 upgrade?
 

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2016, 04:20:38 pm »
I never asked or did update my PC to windows 10, every time I got the small message I just clicked no or what ever button is there.
Quick test, what button would you click in the picture here:
in order to refuse the Win 10 upgrade?

Where it says "Click here to schedule or cancel upgrade."
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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2016, 04:36:20 pm »
I never asked or did update my PC to windows 10, every time I got the small message I just clicked no or what ever button is there.
Quick test, what button would you click in the picture here:
in order to refuse the Win 10 upgrade?
The reset button or the power switch. Then pour gasoline and light it up, best way to kill viruses  :-DD
 

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Re: Is Microsoft into trojans or spyware?
« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2016, 05:14:41 pm »
I have tried several Ubuntu flavors on either a Live CD or booted off a USB stick. Also tried other Linux distributions booting to try them out. They all have the option to install to your hard drive and allow a dual boot system, or you can replace Windows entirely. So that may be a good easy way to play and learn on Linux before you take the dive.

Downloading full ISO's and burning DVD's or writing to USB sticks is not that hard. Most distros now come with bundled apps and huge libraries that you can use to install more. You don't have to work in a command line shell if you don't want to. I think Linux has been getting easier and easier for noobs every year since I first encountered it almost 20 years ago.
 
Plenty of articles abound on people who want to try Linux and not sure what to try first, like this one

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-linux-distro-first-time-switchers-windows-mac/
« Last Edit: May 22, 2016, 05:31:15 pm by edy »
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