Huge Fire in Louis Rossmann's Building

[EEVblog]

This does not look good, a huge fire in Louis Rossmann's building:
Fire raged for hours and they had to let it basically burn out. Rear of the building has collapsed.

Even if not direct fire affected, the shop is almost certainly extensively smoke and water damaged.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/video/3945805-east-village-fire-rages-for-hours/

[Red Squirrel]

Oh wow, ouch.  Definitely not good.

[riyadh144]

Oh man, I wish him all the best.

[ataradov]

Somebody decided to speed up the expiration of those leases. Why wait a few years, when a few gallons of gas and a match will do the same in 1 day?

[Ampera]

This is the exact reason why chips like the Pentium D and FX-9590 were a mistake. It's like trying to repair a blowtorch, one wrong move and you set everything on fire.

My stupidity aside though, I hope the heat didn't get too close to his shop, and after some checking of things out, hopefully he can come back.

[station240]

Existing topic, with some other information
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/louis-rossmans-store-affected-by-fire/

latest news
https://www.nyunews.com/2018/10/03/10-04-fire/

Local businesses were affected by smoke damage and surrounding residents are not allowed back inside until further notice. A nearby mosque, Madina Masjid, was also evacuated due to smoke damage in their basement.

Between the fire and the mosque, is Louis's store, so he also certainly has smoke damage in his basement too.

[Ampera]

This is the exact reason why chips like the Pentium D and FX-9590 were a mistake. It's like trying to repair a blowtorch, one wrong move and you set everything on fire.

I've seen a heavily overclocked LGA775 Pentium D MELTED its socket. Asus was kind enough to get it fixed for free, though.
That being said, P5B Deluxe is really a god like mobo. It kept running while the socket was partially melted.

*: Technically, not melted. Thermal-set plastics don't melt, but they softens and deforms under pressure beyond Tg.

I have actually said, that the Pentium D is the only CPU known to man capable of turning the socket it's in into hot molten slag.

[glarsson]

I have actually said, that the Pentium D is the only CPU known to man capable of turning the socket it's in into hot molten slag.

I have seen an expensive CPU board with damage from overheating. All surface mounted chips in white ceramic and gold. Solder melted and  some chips had floated away...

[EEVblog]

Between the fire and the mosque, is Louis's store, so he also certainly has smoke damage in his basement too.

No doubt.
Didn't know he had a basement, but yeah, if the one two doors up got into the basement, Louis's one must have got a lot worse.

[Zucca]

Another reason for him to move his entire business in front that Apple dealer in NYC.

[EEVblog]

Another reason for him to move his entire business in front that Apple dealer in NYC.

He could crowd fund that 

[nctnico]

Between the fire and the mosque, is Louis's store, so he also certainly has smoke damage in his basement too.

That doesn't sound promising. I hope Louis has good insurance and that he can recover whatever he can for his clients. I imagine some gear in his shop contains data his clients will want to keep. Anyway I hope Louis can get back to 'business as usual' quickly. This is the crap you don't need as a small business owner.

[langwadt]

Somebody decided to speed up the expiration of those leases. Why wait a few years, when a few gallons of gas and a match will do the same in 1 day?

I must admit that was my first thought too

[tooki]

Commercial building in downtown without central cooling?

That is really common in old downtown buildings. You see window units all the time. Adding central air requires adding ductwork inside, as well as the condenser unit outside, which may not be possible if there is no yard space and no roof that can support the weight.

[@rt]

Oh my, I would donate something for that myself.

Another reason for him to move his entire business in front that Apple dealer in NYC.

He could crowd fund that 

[station240]

https://twitter.com/RossmannGroup/status/1047895333152411648

$10k worth of quicks destroyed by water from putting out the fire. Insurance won't cover shit since it was another store on fire, and water below ground level.

His stockpile of Hot Air Rework Stations he sells from his online store were in the basement. Idiot insurance classes this as flooding, rather than damage resulting from fire fighting.

[Mr. Scram]

https://twitter.com/RossmannGroup/status/1047895333152411648

$10k worth of quicks destroyed by water from putting out the fire. Insurance won't cover shit since it was another store on fire, and water below ground level.

His stockpile of Hot Air Rework Stations he sells from his online store were in the basement. Idiot insurance classes this as flooding, rather than damage resulting from fire fighting.

They're not idiots. They know exactly what they're doing.

[langwadt]

https://twitter.com/RossmannGroup/status/1047895333152411648

$10k worth of quicks destroyed by water from putting out the fire. Insurance won't cover shit since it was another store on fire, and water below ground level.

His stockpile of Hot Air Rework Stations he sells from his online store were in the basement. Idiot insurance classes this as flooding, rather than damage resulting from fire fighting.

his own insurance might, it is the insurance of the building that was on fire he should be after

[amyk]

https://twitter.com/RossmannGroup/status/1047895333152411648

$10k worth of quicks destroyed by water from putting out the fire. Insurance won't cover shit since it was another store on fire, and water below ground level.

His stockpile of Hot Air Rework Stations he sells from his online store were in the basement. Idiot insurance classes this as flooding, rather than damage resulting from fire fighting.

Just turn them on and let them dry themselves out...

I can understand the smoke getting everywhere, but a bit surprised about the water --- it wasn't his building, it was the one next door (unless they're connected?)

[Red Squirrel]

Got to hate insurance companies, they'll gladly take your money but will find every excuse not to cover stuff.

I guess that's the danger of doing business in a multi unit building is you are really at the mercy of everyone else as far as fire safety goes.

[NiHaoMike]

Name and shame the insurance company so others would know who *not* to get insurance from.

[Alex Eisenhut]

Got to hate insurance companies, they'll gladly take your money but will find every excuse not to cover stuff.

I guess that's the danger of doing business in a multi unit building is you are really at the mercy of everyone else as far as fire safety goes.

Try living in a condo. You can have a dishwasher on a 3rd floor unit leak into a 2nd floor unit, through a common area. Suddenly you have three insurance companies involved.

[chickenHeadKnob]

https://twitter.com/RossmannGroup/status/1047895333152411648

$10k worth of quicks destroyed by water from putting out the fire. Insurance won't cover shit since it was another store on fire, and water below ground level.

His stockpile of Hot Air Rework Stations he sells from his online store were in the basement. Idiot insurance classes this as flooding, rather than damage resulting from fire fighting.

They're not idiots. They know exactly what they're doing.

Yup, I would make a wager that the insurance companys involved have actuarial tables which indicate the likely-hood of Rossmann getting a payout if he litigates versus the presumptive cost of litigation for both sides. A $10k-$50k claim sounds like a real dead zone for litigants to me. Less than 10k they might payout to aggressive claimants who are legal savvy and conduct their own nuisance suit. More than some amount, (don't know if $50k is the threshold), and contingency payment ambulance chasers start to get interested.

[Halcyon]

https://twitter.com/RossmannGroup/status/1047895333152411648

$10k worth of quicks destroyed by water from putting out the fire. Insurance won't cover shit since it was another store on fire, and water below ground level.

His stockpile of Hot Air Rework Stations he sells from his online store were in the basement. Idiot insurance classes this as flooding, rather than damage resulting from fire fighting.

They're not idiots. They know exactly what they're doing.

Yup, I would make a wager that the insurance companys involved have actuarial tables which indicate the likely-hood of Rossmann getting a payout if he litigates versus the presumptive cost of litigation for both sides. A $10k-$50k claim sounds like a real dead zone for litigants to me. Less than 10k they might payout to aggressive claimants who are legal savvy and conduct their own nuisance suit. More than some amount, (don't know if $50k is the threshold), and contingency payment ambulance chasers start to get interested.

Or better yet, Louis can start naming and shaming the insurer. They absolutely hate bad publicity.

[Brumby]

Before we lynch any and all insurance companies - how about we find out what the real situation is on that front?

I have no love for insurance companies, but I do have an aversion to attacks without evidence.


Edit:
Found this in another thread on the same topic.

So I wasn't entirely right. Sounds like his basement was flooded.

https://twitter.com/RossmannGroup/status/1047895333152411648

$10k worth of quicks destroyed by water from putting out the fire. Insurance won't cover shit since it was another store on fire, and water below ground level.

Standing down from my above statement.

Fire away.