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Re: How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?
« Reply #175 on: February 09, 2023, 06:37:55 am »
There are at least 10 versions of electron electricity [...]
We have the Faraday version -- Heaviside version – Maxwell version – Veritasium (Derek) version – William Beatty version – Alphaphoenix (Brian) version – Electroboom (Mehdi) version – EEV (David) version – RSD Academy (Bob) version – The Science Asylum (Nick) version – etc. 

I think this nicely illustrates a core problem here: You are spending too much time on Youtube (and then in your own phantasies).
 
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Re: How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?
« Reply #176 on: February 09, 2023, 07:19:37 pm »
Could someone please explain the question and most likely answer of the OP of this thread in laymens terms?

The first couple of pages contain some good answers. It's not until the thread gets hijacked by someone completely misunderstanding one persons answer and building a fantasy upon it that things got crazy.
Answer or Answers -- how can u have good answers? -- duz this mean that there is no good answer?
Ok -- i ask u to provide the answer (ie the classical standard answer) -- or answers if u like (if there are worthy options).
And -- tell us -- what are the good answers in the first couple of pages?
U can take a few lines or a page -- whatever u like.
 

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Re: How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?
« Reply #177 on: February 09, 2023, 07:48:14 pm »
Could someone please explain the question and most likely answer of the OP of this thread in laymens terms?

It is an example perhaps of a badly posed question. Therefore to provide an answer it is first required to re-pose the question: "How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?"

The question supposes that "an electron" makes "a photon" in antenna. But this is not the case. So the question cannot be answered in those terms.

What happens is that an alternating electric current in a conductor causes the emission of electromagnetic radiation, and the smallest discrete quantum of energy in such radiation is a photon. However, a photon at radio frequencies has such a small amount of energy that it doesn't really make sense to talk about RF in terms of photons. Instead, it makes much more sense to describe antennas and related circuits in terms of electric and magnetic fields using Maxwell's equations.
 

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Re: How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?
« Reply #178 on: February 09, 2023, 08:12:17 pm »
Could someone please explain the question and most likely answer of the OP of this thread in laymens terms?
It is an example perhaps of a badly posed question. Therefore to provide an answer it is first required to re-pose the question: "How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?"

The question supposes that "an electron" makes "a photon" in antenna. But this is not the case. So the question cannot be answered in those terms.

What happens is that an alternating electric current in a conductor causes the emission of electromagnetic radiation, and the smallest discrete quantum of energy in such radiation is a photon. However, a photon at radio frequencies has such a small amount of energy that it doesn't really make sense to talk about RF in terms of photons. Instead, it makes much more sense to describe antennas and related circuits in terms of electric and magnetic fields using Maxwell's equations.
Yes or No -- duz an antenna emit photons?
 

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Re: How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?
« Reply #179 on: February 09, 2023, 08:31:43 pm »
if light can be though of as composed of photons and being also an electromagnetic field then any electromagnetic field can be though of as photons.

light is the same as what comes off an antenna,  only frequency is different.

So Yes
 

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Re: How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?
« Reply #180 on: February 09, 2023, 08:44:17 pm »
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Re: How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?
« Reply #181 on: February 09, 2023, 08:48:49 pm »
if light can be though of as composed of photons and being also an electromagnetic field then any electromagnetic field can be though of as photons.  light is the same as what comes off an antenna,  only frequency is different.  So Yes
In a way the classical standard dark age of science electrical mafia gatekeepers karnt answer Yes or No.
Or – they do answer – but their answer(s)  is of little help koz they have umpteen different explanations for what a photon is or isn't.
I think that the Poynting Field explanation for electricity duznt ever mention photons.
Do the Poyntingists reckon that radio is photons?  Dunno.
Anyhow – AVGresponding will gladly solve all of our problems – he/she has seen some good answers.
 

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Re: How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?
« Reply #182 on: February 09, 2023, 08:49:47 pm »
There is only one problem with this thread.
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Re: How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?
« Reply #183 on: February 09, 2023, 08:51:55 pm »

So -- u karnt answer the OP question -- & u karnt answer my question.
Answer or Answers -- how can u have good answers? -- duz this mean that there is no good answer?
Ok -- i ask u to provide the answer (ie the classical standard answer) -- or answers if u like (if there are worthy options).
And -- tell us -- what are the good answers in the first couple of pages?
U can take a few lines or a page -- whatever u like.


Whether photons are particles or waves has been a question that confused physicists’ minds for many years. Since the book is concerned about the interaction of light and matter, it is important to know the correct answer. Richard Feynman gives the answer very clearly.

“I want to emphasize that light comes in this form — particles. It is very important to know that light behaves like particles, especially for those of you who have gone to school, where you were probably told something about light behaving like waves. I’m telling you the way it does behave — like particles” (Feynman 15).

If you want proof, there is a thing called photomultiplier. A photomultiplier counts photons. You can’t count waves, but you can count particles.
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Re: How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?
« Reply #184 on: February 09, 2023, 09:12:15 pm »
So -- u karnt answer the OP question -- & u karnt answer my question.

I am relieved to see that you have found those missing "r"s.
 

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Re: How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?
« Reply #185 on: February 09, 2023, 10:00:54 pm »
Or – they do answer – but their answer(s)  is of little help koz they have umpteen different explanations for what a photon is or isn't.

That's because no-one has yet worked out that they are really the FOTONS that's you're about to invent.
 

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Re: How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?
« Reply #186 on: February 09, 2023, 11:14:03 pm »
Or – they do answer – but their answer(s)  is of little help koz they have umpteen different explanations for what a photon is or isn't.
That's because no-one has yet worked out that they are really the FOTONS that's you're about to invent.
Most languages use FOTON & ELEKTRON – or variations of these. https://indifferentlanguages.in/word/english/1e7d37f/photon
Few use  PHOTON & ELECTRON.

I like FOTON & ELEKTRON. 
But, for electricity on a wire the free FOTON when it hugs the wire bekums my semi-confined ELEKTON [2].
There are 3 main kinds of PHOTON-FOTON.
[1] The free PHOTON-FOTON – light etc -- let us call this the PHOTON or FOTON.
[2] The semi-confined PHOTON-FOTON (1st kind) – which i have called the ELEKTON – [2] praps this needs a better name.
[2a] The ELEKTON naturally leads to us having to change the word ELECTRICITY to ELEKTICITY.
[3] The fully-confined PHOTON-FOTON – a FOTON orbiting in an atom -- which has wrongly been called an ELECTRON – [3] which i have not yet named.
[4] The semi-confined PHOTON-FOTON  (2nd kind)– a free FOTON that has formed a loop – what i have called an ELECTRON –an ELECTRON is usually sticking to a surface (static electricity) – but it is free to roam (eg on the surface of a balloon)(giving us a slow form of electricity). I am happy with ELECTRON.

So, what to call [2]?  Praps FOTONe (signifying its relationship to electicity.  I think that i prefer ELEKTON.

What to call [3]? Praps FOTONa (signifying its relationship to the atom). I think ELEKTRON.
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Re: How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?
« Reply #187 on: February 10, 2023, 06:16:50 am »
So -- u karnt answer the OP question -- & u karnt answer my question.

I "kan", I simply choose not to, in the same way that you have chosen not to acknowledge explanations given to you.
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