Help required to further debunk some bullshit about being alergic to radio w! :D

[ccs46]

This has been debunked many times but people still believe it. As long as people believe they have this condition they will suffer from it.

[amyk]

Related reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/wireless/11099-massive-revelation-in-iburst-tower-battle.html

[Mechanical Menace]

After many, many, many studies there is not only no evidence supporting anybody being allergic to radio waves but also no mechanisms that could cause such a reaction.  There is however plenty of evidence supporting the existence of hypochondria, Munchausen syndrome, and Munchausen by proxy. Given that I'd say everybody who still claims to be allergic to cellphones and wifi (but rarely have a problem with microwave ovens) doesn't actually believe it but they like the attention of claiming it.

[ccs46]

Oh ok.


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[Mechanical Menace]

Oh ok.

That was just my opinion, partially built up on a pure belief. As much as it's a shame I should feel the need to say this on here I'm not trying to tell you what to think lol

[zapta]

After many, many, many studies there is not only no evidence supporting anybody being allergic to radio waves ...

Any reference?


Edit: found it.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity

[Mechanical Menace]

After many, many, many studies there is not only no evidence supporting anybody being allergic to radio waves ...

Any reference?

http://www.who.int/peh-emf/en/ contains the largest analyses of studies to date, I haven't found anything that's been verified/successfully recreated that disagrees with their conclusions. Most of their work is reviews of independent (from them) studies and articles and not their own original research.

I don't know what your politics says about the trustworthiness of the WHO but everyone else seems to have given up supporting actual research into the matter in the domestic environment, which to me also says something.

Edit: found it.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity

I didn't think linking to a wiki would be good enough*, wasn't sure about the WHO thing really but linking to the actual articles generally just gives you the abstract and a paywall lol.



*Though when it comes to science and tech articles I'll admit they tend to be more balanced than elsewhere on there.

[zapta]

I don't know what your politics says about the trustworthiness of the WHO...

Bad day at the office today?

;-)

[Mechanical Menace]

I don't know what your politics says about the trustworthiness of the WHO...

Bad day at the office today?

;-)

Sorry, I just personally know people who wouldn't trust the WHO if they said water was wet.

And yeah, also one of those days.

[Zero999]

No talk of banning guns though. *lights the blue touch paper*

[G7PSK]

I am highly allergic to electricity anything over a 100 mA I would find very detrimental to my health.

[zapta]

I am highly allergic to electricity anything over a 100 mA I would find very detrimental to my health.

We are all effected at some level. If people claim ability to sense much lower levels it should be too difficult to test, just like a hearing test.

[LukeW]

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/21/the-town-that-banned-wi-fi

Read this article... right to the end. 

[ccs46]

She says it's power lines, I'm guessing it's the magnetic field, one flaw in her statement, SHE LIVES IN A MAGNETIC FIELD! it's called EARTH! She would probably experience stronger magnetic field from the earth than from those power lines.  It is in her head, if she thinks she has it, she will continue to believe she has it.

[BillW50]

This has been debunked many times but people still believe it. As long as people believe they have this condition they will suffer from it.

I don't know about being debunk many times, as some people are sensitive to the strangest things. And as for beliefs, check this out. Hypnotize someone and tell them your finger is a lit cigarette and touch your finger on their arm. And their arm will automatically blister because their brain believed it.

[Deathwish]

My ex told me I was broke one pay day, i knew it was carp till I opened my wallet to find her IOU

[Mechanical Menace]

We are all effected at some level. If people claim ability to sense much lower levels it should be too difficult to test, just like a hearing test.

I'm absolutely convinced I can somehow "detect" turned on CRTs from other rooms. So are the people who know me given that if I say I think one of there's is left on they either tell me they know or go turn it off lol. There're a few other things I seem to pick up like that too (bigger or higher frequency transformers for example). But I'm also pretty convinced I'm just subconsciously hearing a high pitched tone coming from them that my brain interprets as some sort of Spidey sense.

Hypnotize someone and tell them your finger is a lit cigarette and touch your finger on their arm. And their arm will automatically blister because their brain believed it.

You have any sources for that? Videos or something like a paper studying cases of it?

[Zero999]

I'm absolutely convinced I can somehow "detect" turned on CRTs from other rooms. So are the people who know me given that if I say I think one of there's is left on they either tell me they know or go turn it off lol. There're a few other things I seem to pick up like that too (bigger or higher frequency transformers for example). But I'm also pretty convinced I'm just subconsciously hearing a high pitched tone coming from them that my brain interprets as some sort of Spidey sense.

It's definitely the sound. CRTs typically produce about 17kHz which is not audible to most people over 30 so either you're young or just have good hearing.

[BillW50]

Hypnotize someone and tell them your finger is a lit cigarette and touch your finger on their arm. And their arm will automatically blister because their brain believed it.

You have any sources for that? Videos or something like a paper studying cases of it?

Oh gosh, I just heard that probably this month on a radio program. I might be able to find out who said it since I have the podcasts of the ones that it could have been. But just asking most hypnotists might tell you the same thing.

[Mechanical Menace]

It's definitely the sound. CRTs typically produce about 17kHz which is not audible to most people over 30

Makes a bit of sense, I can pick up one of those "The Mosquito" anti child devices straight off. But it's a bit strange how I can hear them but only "sense" CRTs iykwim.

so either you're young or just have good hearing.

I've got... strange hearing, I was born with undeveloped middle ears so it's not very good in the human vocal range and no one seems to be sure why it's any good anywhere else. On the upsides I apparently won't suffer from age related hearing loss so yeah!!!

[Rick Law]

Speaking of radio allergies...

I have a severe allergic reaction to tax.  Every time I do my tax form, my heart rate increases and my breathing starts to get erratic.  When it comes to writing the tax payment cheque, my hands shake proportionally to the amount being written.

I think I should be excused medically in so far as paying tax goes.

[rolycat]

Hypnotize someone and tell them your finger is a lit cigarette and touch your finger on their arm. And their arm will automatically blister because their brain believed it.

You have any sources for that? Videos or something like a paper studying cases of it?

"On January 8, 1945, while under hypnosis, a second degree burn was
induced on the dorsum of the patient's left hand in the following
man­ner: Both hands were carefully examined and no abnormality was
noted. The patient was again made to re-enact his battle experi­ence,
and at the point where the shell ex­ploded he was told that a small
particle of molten shell fragment glanced off the dorsum of his hand.
Coincident with this, the ex­aminer gently brushed the dorsum of the
patient's hand with a small flat file (of the type commonly used in
opening ampules). The file was at room temperature. There was
immediate pallor in a circumscribed area about one centimeter in
diameter at the point where the file made contact with his hand. After
a period of twenty minutes a narrow red margin gradually developed
about the area of pallor. Hypnosis was terminated at this point. On
awakening, the patient ap­peared puzzled and asked if he had been
smoking while asleep. He complained of pain in his hand and said that
he felt as if he might have burned himself with a ciga­rette. One hour
after the suggestion had been given early blister formation was
noted."

MONTAGUE ULLMAN, M. D., HERPES SIMPLEX AND SECOND DEGREE BURN INDUCED
UNDER HYPNOSIS
AMERICAN JOURNAL. OF PSYCHIATRY, Vol. 103, No. 6, May, 1947

[Mechanical Menace]

...

Thanks.

[Icarus]

As far as I know there is little/no resource on how non-ionizing radiation effect humans. (If It doesn't kill you, you are ok. right ?)
However we pretty much know human brain is sensitive to electricity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_direct-current_stimulation)
I can't say they are right, but I can't disprove them either

[Mechanical Menace]

As far as I know there is little/no resource on how non-ionizing radiation effect humans. (If It doesn't kill you, you are ok. right ?)

It's not that there's no resources, it's that apart from the heating effect there's no evidence towards any other effects*. The general consensus is that if it's not cooking you it's not doing any harm.


*And our understanding of EMR is very, very good. It could be tempting to say pretty much complete. Of course this doesn't count out any effects so far unproposed and tested for. But we can say for a fact the claimed health detriments either don't exist or have other causes.