Grayjay - A better way to view videos online

[lezginka_kabardinka]

I think having the features of downloading and ad blocking pretty much means as soon as it becomes popular (if it becomes popular) YouTube will block it.
It will be extremely hard to stay ahead of googles efforts to block it once they decide to do so.

Keeping the linux downloader app youtube-dl working it hard enough for the devs and this is infinitely more complex.

You’re years behind. yt-dip is infinitely better.

[Psi]

I think having the features of downloading and ad blocking pretty much means as soon as it becomes popular (if it becomes popular) YouTube will block it.
It will be extremely hard to stay ahead of googles efforts to block it once they decide to do so.

Keeping the linux downloader app youtube-dl working it hard enough for the devs and this is infinitely more complex.

You’re years behind. yt-dip is infinitely better.

Quite possibly, i've only ever used youtube-dl.

[RoGeorge]

I've dropped youtube-dl some years ago, because it was speed limited (by Google), while yt-dlp somehow is downloading as fast as the network can.  Syntax is about the same as for youtube-dl:

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yt-dlp -f best --sub-lang en --write-auto-sub --sub-format srt <video-ID-or-playlist-ID>

[BrianHG]

Who didn't see this coming:

Youtube BANS Massive Youtuber Louis Rossmann For Simply Promoting An App Alternative To Youtube!

[Halcyon]

I'm sure Louis saw this coming himself. He is on Odysee by the way and probably other streaming platforms.

[ataradov]

That "App Alternative" violates YT ToS. If you don't think ToS are fair, it is fine. But what do you expect exactly when you are very publicly promote the app that does it?

I'm surprised that app is still in the play store. But I guess at 10K installs over there, it is not setting the world on fire. Although who knows how many installed the APK.

[Halcyon]

That "App Alternative" violates YT ToS. If you don't think ToS are fair, it is fine. But what do you expect exactly when you are very publicly promote the app that does it?

I'm surprised that app is still in the play store. But I guess at 10K installs over there, it is not setting the world on fire. Although who knows how many installed the APK.

Whether the application itself violates the terms of service I think is irrelevant. Merely being smacked for talking about it is pretty piss poor behaviour by Google if I'm honest. What if someone was talking about something that violated Apple's or Microsoft's terms of service? I'm sure Google wouldn't give a crap. If rules are going to be enforced, enforce them equally without bias.

It's just another example where content is censored because someone got butt hurt. It also proves the point of why Grayjay is a great idea... follow the content producer, not the platform.

[ataradov]

We don't actually know what he was banned for.

Why would a platform enforce someone else's ToS? They have no clue, may be person speaking has a separate arrangement. This logic makes no sense.

Platforms have full rights to enforce their own ToS though.

[Halcyon]

We don't actually know what he was banned for.

Which is even worse. Transparency is important. For Google just to hand out punishments without any reason given isn't a good look.

Platforms have full rights to enforce their own ToS though.

Yes they absolutely do. But what exactly in Google's terms did Louis actually breach? No one knows. Having terms are meaningless if people can just do whatever they want.

[ataradov]

I may be wrong, but I think they give the reason to the person being banned. At least they point out to a specific video.  If Louis wants to share the details, he can do that.

They don't need to disclose the reason on the video stub for everyone.

[Halcyon]

I may be wrong, but I think they give the reason to the person being banned. At least they point out to a specific video.  If Louis wants to share the details, he can do that.

They don't need to disclose the reason on the video stub for everyone.

That could be right, but I suspect it will be something very generic that doesn't actually explain the real reason. Time will tell. Louis is a pretty open and honest person, I'm sure he'll post a video explaining what happened from his perspective.

[ataradov]

The channel seems to be available now.

It also may have been a regular DMCA takedown. But overreaction and outrage gets you clicks.

And looking at the timeline, it looks like the "ban" lasted at most a couple hours.

[JoeRoy]

FYI:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/17bk0n6/what_do_we_think_about_the_youtube/

[Psi]

The channel seems to be available now.

It also may have been a regular DMCA takedown. But overreaction and outrage gets you clicks.

And looking at the timeline, it looks like the "ban" lasted at most a couple hours.

A DMCA takedown for his videos about an open source project ?
I hope it was, will be funny to see who did that.

[newbrain]

A DMCA takedown for his videos about an open source project ?

What open source project?

[Veteran68]

The channel seems to be available now.
...
And looking at the timeline, it looks like the "ban" lasted at most a couple hours.

I for sure was confused, as I've subscribed to Louis' channel for years, so when I saw this post last night I went straight there to see for myself. His channel was up and operating fine, and he'd just released a new video a few hours prior. Glad to see it was a brief outage.

Begs the question: was it an honest mistake or glitch, or was it a veiled warning?

A DMCA takedown for his videos about an open source project ?

What open source project?

Grayjay, which is what this thread is about.

At least the creators refer to it as OSS. Some will argue it's not truly OSS in the traditional sense of the word. The source is freely available but deviates from the terms of the major open source licenses in that they threaten legal action if you change the source to introduce any kind of adware/malware.

[newbrain]

What open source project?

Grayjay, which is what this thread is about.

At least the creators refer to it as OSS. Some will argue it's not truly OSS in the traditional sense of the word. The source is freely available but deviates from the terms of the major open source licenses in that they threaten legal action if you change the source to introduce any kind of adware/malware.

My answer was in the snarky fields between Tonguincheek city and the Passivaggressive river. Forgot to add a proper emoji.

The creators can tell whatever they like, but their license makes it clear that you CANNOT modify the source, regardless of the reason.
This is not open source, for any reasonable definition of it (and I'm not a zealot in any way), at most can be described as source available.
To their credit, they say this might change in the future in the contribution readme.

They might have gone Mozilla's way: Firefox is open source, but name and logo are trademarked - so they have a recourse for anyone impersonating them.

[ataradov]

A DMCA takedown for his videos about an open source project ?

What makes you think it is related to that app at all? Since the app video he posted a lot of other stuff.

[BrianHG]

The channel seems to be available now.
...
And looking at the timeline, it looks like the "ban" lasted at most a couple hours.

I for sure was confused, as I've subscribed to Louis' channel for years, so when I saw this post last night I went straight there to see for myself. His channel was up and operating fine, and he'd just released a new video a few hours prior. Glad to see it was a brief outage.

Begs the question: was it an honest mistake or glitch, or was it a veiled warning?

No, 1 more strike and his channel will be down.  See the opening post:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/grayjay-a-better-way-to-view-videos-online/msg5119329/#msg5119329
You will see the video has been 'removed for violating YT TOS'.  2 videos have been removed.  A third strike would bring down his entire channel.

[Veteran68]

My answer was in the snarky fields between Tonguincheek city and the Passivaggressive river. Forgot to add a proper emoji.

Cool, I suspected it might have been sarcastic but wasn't sure.

No, 1 more strike and his channel will be down.  See the opening post:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/grayjay-a-better-way-to-view-videos-online/msg5119329/#msg5119329
You will see the video has been 'removed for violating YT TOS'.  2 videos have been removed.  A third strike would bring down his entire channel.

I understand how strikes work. But video you posted exclaims that Louis was banned. In CAPITAL LETTERS even.

Youtube BANS Massive Youtuber Louis Rossmann For Simply Promoting An App Alternative To Youtube!

Maybe it was just clickbait, but the BAN is what I was responding to. Getting a strike does not equal a ban. Deleting a channel doesn't necessarily or even usually equal a ban for the creator. If he truly was banned temporarily, that sounds like something that went beyond a strike and deleted video. It was a message (assuming it was intentional and not a mistake or glitch).

[ataradov]

Well, even in the original announcement video he stated that they are ready to takedowns and are ready to fight them. They are basically inviting the trouble and YT is not obligated to hot anything or anyone.

[Psi]

Did anyone else get a YouTube popup saying your comment violated YouTube's terms of service?

I got two of them ~5 days ago for the first time ever. And I'm fairly sure it relates to two comments I made that had the word Grayjay in them.
It's impossible to know for sure, those comments disappeared when Louis video disappeared. but seems quite suspicious though.

I think the stance YouTube are taking on Grayjay is treating it more like a 'hacker tool', a tool to download videos and bypass ads.
So any mention of it gets stomped on.

TheQuartering on Youtube also did a video about Louis's video about Grayjay and within 24 hours his channel had month old videos being removed for seemly odd reasons.   
Although, that's probably not all that surprising. I would expect the YouTube AI looks closely for connections between "bad" channels. So any link to a channel in bad standing probably does rub off on your channel and lower its standing.

[Sredni]

Wow, the mafia has better ethics than YT. 😁

[RJSV]

   Halcyon, thanks.
   My experience here, as a non-expert was to be thinking; 'Yeah, that might be worth checking out, and had worked that into my recent 'schedule' to investigate.
But, nope, first thing I see is (your) linked video got banned.
Disappointed, I trudged through a few of the posts, here, especially the statement that 'play store' has TOS to 'protect' their market power.
   Angry, disappointed, but...so what, that's my problem.  I'm mainly thinking just have to wait.  Don't use play store, of course, but I'm just waiting; those with a vise-grip on power, or sometimes termed 'strangle-hold' on power.  Those of us, passively watching just have to sit and take it, I guess.  There's got to be many like me, out there...quietly steaming.

   But no Google play.  That's for certain.

[ataradov]

Why are you steaming? If you don't like play store, get the APK and install it manually.

It is really bizarre. You don't want the store so much, yet you want an app to use another google service.