Google Search now with a fixed bar

[MrMobodies]

Anyone getting the new Google search page with that uncloseable navigation toolbar than remains stuck there as you scroll?



Personally I don't like things stuck to my screen area like that and it is everywhere now.

I have to rely on extensions, Adblock and a bookmark killer just to keep my screen area clear of unwanted things and distractions.


What are your opinions on it?

[xrunner]

Yea I got it. Seems like a fair idea to me. 

[MrMobodies]

It would be good if they had a small symbol to show/hide it like the left side pane on Google maps which I think was a good idea.

Maybe I notice things too much.

[ataradov]

Wow. This sucks. But hopefully it is easy enough to block this.

I hate things that slowly move in as you scroll. It grabs the attention.

[Red Squirrel]

I hate that trend too.  At least it looks fairly small, I've seen sites that have like a 200px header that stays, or worse, one at bottom too, or even worse, one that is not even right on top, but half way down the middle.

It seems as screen resolutions get better, UI makers are becoming less and less efficient at using space.  Just look at how big all the UI elements in newer versions of windows are and how terrible the space usage in dialogs is.

[tsman]

It seems as screen resolutions get better, UI makers are becoming less and less efficient at using space.  Just look at how big all the UI elements in newer versions of windows are and how terrible the space usage in dialogs is.

A lot of those changes are because of touchscreens. Windows 8 wasn't popular for keyboard/mouse users but it was great on my old Surface Pro because its UI was very obviously designed for touchscreens.

[Red Squirrel]

It seems as screen resolutions get better, UI makers are becoming less and less efficient at using space.  Just look at how big all the UI elements in newer versions of windows are and how terrible the space usage in dialogs is.

A lot of those changes are because of touchscreens. Windows 8 wasn't popular for keyboard/mouse users but it was great on my old Surface Pro because its UI was very obviously designed for touchscreens.

Yeah and that's part of the issue, they are trying to make everything only for touch screens and completely ignoring PC users. 

[MrMobodies]

I notice that it is not an issue on a tablet/phone in that you can pinch zoom away from it.

[Ian.M]

Its also not an issue on legacy browsers.  e.g. I just fired up K-meleon 1.6 and got the classic black Google bar and traditional Google results page search box under it, so running an extension that overrides the user agent string on selected Google sites would probably fix it if you find it terminally irritating.

[bd139]

So not needed. I search with the address bar not the google header. Now I’ve got two search boxes on the screen.

[Karel]

Anyone getting the new Google search page with that uncloseable navigation toolbar than remains stuck there as you scroll?

No, I use https://start.duckduckgo.com/?&kp=-2

[Gyro]

Me too... https://start.duckduckgo.com/

I object to being tracked too.


P.S. You can loose the 'start.' but then it sets up a cookie with your search preferences. As I delete cookies on exit, that becomes a bit of a nuisance.

[Karel]

P.S. You can loose the 'start.' but then it sets up a cookie with your search preferences. As I delete cookies on exit, that becomes a bit of a nuisance.

I added the ?&kp=-2 at the end of the url so that it switches off "safe search".

[MrMobodies]

The good thing DuckDuckgo their fixed navigation bar hides on scroll down and reappears on scroll up a so I have form of a choice.

[Stray Electron]

  It's not perfect, but this is the best thing that I've found for killing those webpage stickies https://www.ghacks.net/2018/08/16/remove-anything-that-is-sticky-on-websites/

   PS  I'm not getting a sticky of Google. At least not yet!

[MrMobodies]

There is an extension that I use for Youtube and some websites but can it break things:

Sticky Header Hider aka Fixed Header Fixer
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/sticky-header-hider-aka-f/eagncneohcoiofhknkofdobphnhgblad

You can set preferences and exceptions with it as well.

It is not perfect either.

It has caused problems recently with some experimental versions of the Google search page that rarely pops up. Also on the New Chrome webstore when you select an extension to install or view the developer page it kills that and the navigation bar. The install/developer page is now a fixed element ontop and the top navigation bar that used to be fixed there is now fixed in some sort of Iframe (when you try to add the elements to Adblock) and it will be a matter of time if and when they do it to Google Search.

On Google Product forums it looks really nice with the extension hiding all the fixed elements that get in the way and showing them when you scroll back to it BUT a lot of time when you click reply the page jumps up a bit and you can't get the reply form back and have to reload the page.

[rdl]

Block google JavaScript and cookies and there is no search bar.

The search box will still work as usual but cursor will have to be manually placed there to type.

Block JavaScript and cookies and use:

https://duckduckgo.com/html/

[MrMobodies]

Block google JavaScript and cookies and there is no search bar.

The search box will still work as usual but cursor will have to be manually placed there to type.

Block JavaScript and cookies and use:

https://duckduckgo.com/html/

That is one option but then certain things such as maps don't work:

When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page.
Enable JavaScript to see Google Maps.

I'll be slowly going over to DuckDuckgo forget about tracking me they won't even leave my screen area alone.

[MrMobodies]

Fantastic I just found a setting in GoGoduck that will allow me to adjust the behaviour and positioning of their navigation bar.

See attachment.

Hamburger menu (top right) -> Other settings -> Appearance -> Change "General" tab to "Appearance" -> Header Appearance -> Header Behaviour
On & Scrolling.

You can also turn off suggestions as well in General but it looks okay, not too bloated, nice and neat and doesn't bother me like the one on Google.

[Beamin]

Those thing are terrible if you rely on ctrl+/- to magnify the text they get bigger at twice the size of the text and pretty soon you have about 5 lines of text in the middle of the screen. Makes speed reading impossible because of the lack of lines.

Its gogoduck now? I remember duckduckgo, wasn't that just a version of google search engine that could use wild cards? I always wanted google to make tons of search options rather just quotes, like a mixture of "must contain" "not contain" "contain exactly" etc.


Search *.jpg to make sure you deleted all the porn off the family computer.

[bd139]

Search *.jpg to make sure you deleted all the porn off the family computer.

I'm sure this is how VMware came to be.

[MrMobodies]

Those thing are terrible if you rely on ctrl+/- to magnify the text they get bigger at twice the size of the text and pretty soon you have about 5 lines of text in the middle of the screen. Makes speed reading impossible because of the lack of lines.

Its gogoduck now? I remember duckduckgo, wasn't that just a version of google search engine that could use wild cards? I always wanted google to make tons of search options rather just quotes, like a mixture of "must contain" "not contain" "contain exactly" etc.


Search *.jpg to make sure you deleted all the porn off the family computer.

Yes and when I try to zoom out to make the navigation bars smaller and tolerable the text becomes unreadable.

Check out this website.
https://www.ourwatch.org.uk/contact/

I was trying to use their form some nights ago, all the decorations worked, the boxes changed colour the, captcha worked, but:

"Failed to send you message, Please try again later or contact the administrator by another method."

I think went mad over the decorations and they have yet to respond to me.
It seems that they care more about the decorations.
Oh try the hamburger menu as well and see if that hurts your eyes with the left part of the page going dark when accessing it.

[Beamin]

Those thing are terrible if you rely on ctrl+/- to magnify the text they get bigger at twice the size of the text and pretty soon you have about 5 lines of text in the middle of the screen. Makes speed reading impossible because of the lack of lines.

Its gogoduck now? I remember duckduckgo, wasn't that just a version of google search engine that could use wild cards? I always wanted google to make tons of search options rather just quotes, like a mixture of "must contain" "not contain" "contain exactly" etc.


Search *.jpg to make sure you deleted all the porn off the family computer.

Yes and when I try to zoom out to make the navigation bars smaller and tolerable the text becomes unreadable.

Check out this website.
https://www.ourwatch.org.uk/contact/

I was trying to use their form some nights ago, all the decorations worked, the boxes changed colour the, captcha worked, but:

"Failed to send you message, Please try again later or contact the administrator by another method."

I think went mad over the decorations and they have yet to respond to me.
It seems that they care more about the decorations.
Oh try the hamburger menu as well and see if that hurts your eyes with the left part of the page going dark when accessing it.

The problem is when you scroll down and the bar stays up. I know they thought that was cool when it first came out, I already have tabs and a url bar and book marks bar and my favorite "Babylon Search Engine tool bar" That is almost impossible to uninstall. I once was given a computer of someone's teenage daughters. I think she found EVERY toolbar spyware on the internet and clicked yes on it. The computer was so bogged down and searching or trying to direct access a sight was almost impossible because all the tool bars were playing tug of war to direct ads at you. How did I fix it? I reinstalled a newer version of windows.

[MrMobodies]

Oh yes! The dodgy toolbar epidemic.

I use to uninstall those dodgy toolbars from customers laptops myself just like that and they would have services and some were even hidden or had the security permissions set to deny everyone access to the keys but it was easy to unset. They are more than just toolbars. The uninstaller didn't work on many of them or they didn't uninstall everything.

I took the drives out and spend all night finding where all the crap was and then search and remove the keys from the registry.

I read an article I can't remember what it was called but it was something like "Yes we get the message nobody wants toolbars" about 7 years back. I know that wasn't always the case. Now they are in the form of these things.

Joke: "There was aggressive advertising that promoted these toolbars but they thought yes we understand people don't want anymore that so why not serve the website up in the same way as the aggressive advertising then nobody can complain?"

I myself don't block adverts using Adblock itself unless they are too in a fixed position or causes a nuisance.
I do block known dodgy malware sites on the firewall.

I remember Babylon there so many others.
Most of them came across were from  MyWaySearch, Mindspark, Conduit, Castlemedia hosts that host them and are installed by "free" games. One of them was FreeRideGames.

[Beamin]

Oh yes! The dodgy toolbar epidemic.

I use to uninstall those dodgy toolbars from customers laptops myself just like that and they would have services and some were even hidden or had the security permissions set to deny everyone access to the keys but it was easy to unset. They are more than just toolbars. The uninstaller didn't work on many of them or they didn't uninstall everything.

I took the drives out and spend all night finding where all the crap was and then search and remove the keys from the registry.

I read an article I can't remember what it was called but it was something like "Yes we get the message nobody wants toolbars" about 7 years back. I know that wasn't always the case. Now they are in the form of these things.

Joke: "There was aggressive advertising that promoted these toolbars but they thought yes we understand people don't want anymore that so why not serve the website up in the same way as the aggressive advertising then nobody can complain?"

I myself don't block adverts using Adblock itself unless they are too in a fixed position or causes a nuisance.
I do block known dodgy malware sites on the firewall.

I remember Babylon there so many others.
Most of them came across were from  MyWaySearch, Mindspark, Conduit, Castlemedia hosts that host them and are installed by "free" games. One of them was FreeRideGames.

I liked the ones that were for specific products, like I need to search for hotel rooms and airline tickets so often that I can't be bothered to type in the name of the airline I need that would cost me 3 seconds. IF ONLY THERE WAS A BETTER WAY!!! It's all about these new times saving devices. Less hours spent editing the registry hoping you didn't fuck up your computer. Those things would be well liked by hitler and Stalin.  Most news web sites your actual text of the story is relegated to a tiny box in the middle behind a hovering pop up. That's why I stopped using yahoo when google was getting popular a nice clean screen. Also if you search for a windows 10 disk image which is free on yahoo, the first page as well as contain ads to buy the free file, but the search results ALL of them on the first page were pay to download or pay to mail a DVD. Are people that lazy/stupid? For me that was when I realized yahoo search was totally dead they whored it out so much that last 10 lines of content were actually sold out. Google first 10 results were free.