If the U.S. Seals invade the Hellenic Air Force, then . . .

[Lawsen]

Kiriakos Greece Electronics/Electrical Technician Engineer:
What you replied, that if the U.S. Seals come into Greece uninvited, then it will be the repeat of our U.S.A. defeat in tropical Africa like Black Hawk down.  The remaining U.S. Seals would be captured.  What would it be like as a captive under the Hellenic forces?  I am over the age for the draft.  It would be unlikely that I will have to participate in war or wars like my younger San Jose State classmates past.  I have graduated from there four years ago, just before the great recession/recovery.  

Surf here:

http://www.haf.gr/en/mission/weapons/tor.asp

The Hellenic Air Force is not blindly patriotic like the U.S. Forces, that all of its weapons have to be made in the U.S.A. Some weapon systems are better foreign designed and others are better U.S.A. designed.  The Hellenic Air Force seems to chose the best from world wide.  Helenic Air Force has very old American made Corsairs and F-16 by General Dynamics, before many of the U.S. airplane companies merged and little or no competition in the market here, not the best environment to strive to compete.  

We have 14 million plus people unemployed and we are going into a depression, but no one here admits to it, yet.  This is the worse economic slump, since the depression and it is not over, yet.  I have been anchored at my mother's house for three years and the fourth year coming.  I have been applying for minerals firms, because of a geology earth sci. back ground.  We have 18.5% unemployment at the moment locally.  The U.S.A. unemployment rate is around 9 to 10%, conservative estimates and actual estimates could be higher, but varies on location.  My region is agriculture, so unemployment is the higher, but other regions saw a 20% decline in job growth and difficult to get into the market.  We still have many houses foreclosed and will be for a few years to come.  My U.S.A. have reached its debt ceiling, no where to go and do not know what to do.  

I have been surfing the Hellenic Air Force web site, a large variety of airplanes from many countries and varieties of ground weapons from many countries, even a Russian missile tank carrier.  There might even be a Russian newest jet,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA

Maybe an American F-35 vertical take off jet with licensed or barrowed technology from the Yakovlev-141:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-141

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35

If a Seals helicopter showed up uninvited, than I guess the Hellenic Forces will likely fired this?  Will it be another Black Hawk down for me to read in the tabloids and newspapers here?  I would imagine a Stinger missile is for low altitude within visual self defense, a last effort during an invasion.

http://www.haf.gr/en/mission/weapons/stinger.asp

We will not have time to surrender?

Lawsen

[Kiriakos-GR]

Sorry I can not reply in a such hypothetical question.

You should better ask the Germans para shooters, who landed in Greta.   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Crete

[vk6zgo]

Ask the Persians!! 

VK6ZGO

[Kiriakos-GR]

Ask the Persians!! 

VK6ZGO

No, I can not use this example, we did not had telephones back then. 

[vk6zgo]

Mate,they didn't need them!

VK6ZGO

[Simon]

Mate,they didn't need them!

VK6ZGO

yea after all ll your mates lived within 500 metres and anyone any further away was an enemy 

[PetrosA]

If what I've seen over the years is accurate, then the Greeks are at high alert and constant readiness for one reason, and one reason only - Turkey. I doubt very much that their war games take into account scenarios (outside of NATO games) of being invaded by a large, well armed and well trained force like the US, Britain or Israel. That idea would seem ridiculous to the Greeks I know, but many of them, very well educated as doctors, architects, artists, etc. have claimed they are ready to leave to fight or nurse or whatever in 10 minutes if Turkey attacks. To me as a visiting foreigner (and pacifist ) it all looks and sounds pretty silly since a war between Turkey and Greece would be one of the stupidest, idiotic and destructive things either country could start.

[Kiriakos-GR]

PetrosA  I am an terrible keyboard fighter, especially if the keyboard mode is set to EN instead to GR.

Even so as a person that I have serve in the Greek Air force, and later on work in a factory of the national defense (2008 -2011) ,
I can only say that the people who are devoted to hold the triggers, all fully capable and lethal.
The what ever enemy of Greece, he does not have to worry about the ones who will run from fear.
He will have to worry mainly for the ones who are staying to fight, and I am included too.

Turkey is an country with friendly people, and our guns does not point their heads.
Even so we are in high alert and in constant readiness, for every threat no matter where it comes from.
 

    

[vk6zgo]

Mate,they didn't need them!

VK6ZGO

yea after all ll your mates lived within 500 metres and anyone any further away was an enemy 

No,that's the UK.

VK6ZGO

[Lawsen]

Why Crete was so important to the Germans?  Maybe they needed a source of olives and olive oil?  I could not figured out how can dead soldiers be missing at the beginning reading of the Wikipedia story about Operation Mercury or Crete invasion.  The Minotaur is spirit is around to killed off the invaders.  The tenacity and brutality of the Crete civilian population fighting with anything around their homes and spaces against the German invaders.  Crete residents fought even harder than the Falkland Island residents between the U.K. and Argentina.  These are only islands, I wonder are they worth that many lives, wow.  Many German soldiers were mutilated, because civilians did not have to follow the Geneva Accords of fair battle.  The missing soldiers were the ones attacked by the civilians on Crete.  The early days of the Iraq War between the U.S.A. and Iraq saw more civilians attacking the U.S. than presently.  The Iraqi civilians managed to bring down a high technology helicopter like Apache AH-64D with just bolt action rifles from an earlier time.  The Iraqi civilians want the U.S.A. out is the message I am reading in the news.  The news media is pro war in my U.S.A., I do not read much of what is occurring in Iraq.  The media is mostly writing about house foreclosures and market failures, very little about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan like it was routine, part of the American sub culture.  Iraqi civilians did not liked Suddam Hussein, their dictator and they did not liked my U.S.A. being there, too.  We do not have a resolution.  

Lawsen  

[Time]

The Yakovlev-38 took its ideas from the harrier.  The only similarity between the f-35 and yakovlev is VTOL capability.  The lift system is completely different.

[Time]

And on the stinger note, stealth includes reduced IR signatures so something really stealth won't be trackable by a stinger.  Stinger is old technology.

[PetrosA]

Kiriakos, I don't wish to fight you in either EN or GR. Talk of war and readiness for war sometimes makes me angry, but mostly just makes me sad.

[PetrosA]

Why Crete was so important to the Germans?  ...

The entire Mediterranean was of extreme importance to the Nazis because whoever controlled it controlled shipping there and the oil fields of North Africa. Fuel was a major problem later in the war for the Nazis and they tried all kinds of alternatives to keep the war machine running.

[Kiriakos-GR]

Stinger is old technology.

Speaking about technology, like new VS old.
The smart army will choose old, than getting modern missiles, with out launching codes.
This is another trick of uncle Sam, so to control even the weapons that he had sold to others.

Peter do not take defensive position, I was not aiming at you, with my CapsLock button     

[Time]

A smart army makes their own missiles with their own launching codes.