Elon Musk is a nice chap

[eti]

I have watched Thunderf00t videos for more than a decade, and yeah Musk is one topic that obviously goes beyond the normal level of sarcastic criticism. He's turned into an anti-fan, where he dabbles in every little tiny piece of negative news. Even to the point of repeating in an assenting fashion that Musk didn't really want to buy twitter, in the same manner that he said Donald Trump didn't really want to become president. Thunderf00ts body of work is important enough that I can tune out this phase - and this is coming from someone who largely agrees with his criticisms of Musk.

The Elon obsession is evident in many. Try Common Sense Skeptic, another excellent debunker, but countless videos on anything Elon related. And following him on Twitter he respondes to almost every Musk tweet with some snide remark.

I've done several videos on Musk things, and have Tweeted quite a bit, but I'm not obsessed with everything he does. I give him credit when it's due, and also citicism when it's due. And I've copped some flak for not being hard enough on him. He seems to be the social equivalent of the crazy US Democrat/Republican hate factory.

NO POLITICS ALLOWED.

If you make the rule you must adhere to it yourself!

Careful or captain tooki will be snapping at your heels telling you off lmao

[Zero999]

I'm not a fan of Thunderf00t so will probably skip that video.

I'm lifting just a tiny part of your post. Let me know if that's unfair.

I think that watching the videos (reading article, listening to talk) of those you aren't a fan of, is an essential part of the art of balanced discussion.

I agree, but there's a difference between disagreeing and not being a fan of. It's definitely good to not be in an echo chamber. I do read a lot things I disagree with, but only if I find it engaging and interesting.

I think they didn’t mention “cancel culture” because I don’t actually believe it’s a new thing, nor a particularly prevalent phenomenon to begin with. We used to just call them “boycotts”.

Likewise, the left bias in academia is absolutely nothing new. The article was about trends in politics — that is, the shifts happening — not about describing what’s unchanged.

I agree academic left wing bias and cancel culture, are not new, but they've definitely gotten worse over the last 10 years. Many people, have complained about this, especially those on the right. Perhaps you don't, because you're more left-wing?

That article also has a hint of left wing bias, which isn't surprising, given it's from an academic institution. Nationalism is opposed by the modern left. Here's a quote: "The communist regimes of Central and Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union pretended that they had solved the problem of nationalism, but in fact they had simply swept it under the rug." I would argue that it was a good thing, as nationalism itself was partly responsible for the fall of the USSR and the formation of stable independent states.

Unfortunately it's now going much further than simply boycotts. Those with the wrong views are being banned. Look at what happened to David Icke. Now of course his conspiracy theory is crazy, but that doesn't mean he should be subject to censorship.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/conspiracist-who-says-royal-family-28421195

Gosh tooki, I’ve clearly got you all wrong. You’re SO incredibly kind, complimentary and understanding to people, it seems, and not one little bit arrogant or full of yourself as I’d imagined. I do apologise truly - it’s so very clear from your account, how much you love and care for your fellow man, and how compassionate and accepting you are, despite maybe not agreeing with them or their style, or choices. Your clear acceptance of others and their choices, despite maybe you not liking those choices, demonstrate what a humble, endearing friend you are. Who would want to be alone when they have such a kind, intelligent person to be around! 😃

I’d had you all wrong, it seems… I’m sure you have many friends, you come across as really sensitive and kind. Cheers me old chap.

Are you being sarcastic? That post is so sycophantic, it comes across as sarcasm.

I have watched Thunderf00t videos for more than a decade, and yeah Musk is one topic that obviously goes beyond the normal level of sarcastic criticism. He's turned into an anti-fan, where he dabbles in every little tiny piece of negative news. Even to the point of repeating in an assenting fashion that Musk didn't really want to buy twitter, in the same manner that he said Donald Trump didn't really want to become president. Thunderf00ts body of work is important enough that I can tune out this phase - and this is coming from someone who largely agrees with his criticisms of Musk.

The Elon obsession is evident in many. Try Common Sense Skeptic, another excellent debunker, but countless videos on anything Elon related. And following him on Twitter he respondes to almost every Musk tweet with some snide remark.

I've done several videos on Musk things, and have Tweeted quite a bit, but I'm not obsessed with everything he does. I give him credit when it's due, and also citicism when it's due. And I've copped some flak for not being hard enough on him. He seems to be the social equivalent of the crazy US Democrat/Republican hate factory.

I admit, I don't watch that much EEVBlog. I'll definitely have to checkout your Musk videos.

[wraper]

I have watched Thunderf00t videos for more than a decade, and yeah Musk is one topic that obviously goes beyond the normal level of sarcastic criticism. He's turned into an anti-fan, where he dabbles in every little tiny piece of negative news. Even to the point of repeating in an assenting fashion that Musk didn't really want to buy twitter, in the same manner that he said Donald Trump didn't really want to become president. Thunderf00ts body of work is important enough that I can tune out this phase - and this is coming from someone who largely agrees with his criticisms of Musk.

The Elon obsession is evident in many. Try Common Sense Skeptic, another excellent debunker, but countless videos on anything Elon related. And following him on Twitter he respondes to almost every Musk tweet with some snide remark.

I've done several videos on Musk things, and have Tweeted quite a bit, but I'm not obsessed with everything he does. I give him credit when it's due, and also citicism when it's due. And I've copped some flak for not being hard enough on him. He seems to be the social equivalent of the crazy US Democrat/Republican hate factory.

Nope, he's not excellent at all, not "common sense" and doesn't know a shit about science. He "debunks" just about anything Musk said, so he manages to make a few hours of own rambling divided into many videos based on a single 30 minute interview with Musk. However 90% of CSS' arguments fall apart immediately after a little bit of thought, calculation or googling instead of just taking them at face value. Which is actually common sense, as it's basically impossible that Musk does not say a single thing that is true. Even if Musk was such a successful liar, he still would need to make his speech plausible by it being mostly true with some facts twisted in own benefit.

[tooki]

Gosh tooki, I’ve clearly got you all wrong. You’re SO incredibly kind, complimentary and understanding to people, it seems, and not one little bit arrogant or full of yourself as I’d imagined. I do apologise truly - it’s so very clear from your account, how much you love and care for your fellow man, and how compassionate and accepting you are, despite maybe not agreeing with them or their style, or choices. Your clear acceptance of others and their choices, despite maybe you not liking those choices, demonstrate what a humble, endearing friend you are. Who would want to be alone when they have such a kind, intelligent person to be around! 😃

I’d had you all wrong, it seems… I’m sure you have many friends, you come across as really sensitive and kind. Cheers me old chap.

What is your damage? You need to adjust your consumption of alcohol and/or drugs either up or down, whichever will make you calm the fuck down.

[tooki]

NO POLITICS ALLOWED.

If you make the rule you must adhere to it yourself!

Careful or captain tooki will be snapping at your heels telling you off lmao

Dave isn’t swooping into every thread with bullshit like you are.

[DavidAlfa]

Please change the rules to NOtoomuchPOLITICS ALLOWED 


https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/elon-musk-twitter-cartoons-manu-cortnet.html

[Zero999]

Please change the rules to NOtoomuchPOLITICS ALLOWED 


https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/elon-musk-twitter-cartoons-manu-cortnet.html

I think that's the de-facto. I don't see too much of a problem if remains civil, preferably on-topic, although it's inevitable an long thread will drift somewhat.

Once Musk bought Twitter, it was bound to appear in this thread and turn it political.

[DavidAlfa]

The problem is not the politics, it's always the ignorants and close-minded, hypocrite above all, always arguing against anything.
I'm not attached to anything, but to facts, no matter if it's left, right, center or unicorns.

But you can't just talk with them in a sane way, two seconds later they'll take it personally and attack you directy.
Have several "friends" like that...
- F** the president. Another economic crash because of he's giving all the money away!
- So he's ruining the country with all those economic aids for the screwed people during the pandemic.
- And it's true! All those whinning people, they should get a job instead.
- But they got fired because of the pandemic. They have children, etc, so better just f** them?
- It's not my fault! We all pay taxes for those idiots.
- But you have a job, live at your parent's home, pay for sh** for the living, it's all new BMW tires, BMW gas, BMW parts, new bike, new phone, all your life is entertaiment, yet you went for that aid.
- (Weird silence...) You're nobody to judge me!!

And that's what I mostly see with right leaners.
Everything is others's fault, and everything is attacking their freedom, but what they do can't be objected in any way because they have some sort of impunity.

You just have to get deaf sometimes, and try to not imagine yourself in the jail "I was well worth it!!"

[james_s]

- So he's ruining the country with all those economic aids for the screwed people during the pandemic.

If you're referring to the US, our idiot president and the bigger idiot that preceded him handed out billions of dollars in "stimulus" money during the pandemic in the most absolutely stupid way possible. It was based on the amount one earned in the previous year before the pandemic so the result was people that were doing well then got screwed by the pandemic got nothing, and people such as myself that were making more during the pandemic than we made before got multiple unsolicited deposits to our bank accounts. On top of that this "stimulus" money didn't stimulate anything because the problem never was people not having money, the problem was that everything was closed down so there was nothing to go out and spend it on. The only thing the handouts stimulated was inflation, I'm glad I put mine in savings because everything I received and then some were later consumed by the inflation that resulted.

[SiliconWizard]

That's called "helicopter money", it was unfortunately done in most western countries in kinda similar ways, and was also unfortunately NOT a new idea. So, all in all, nothing specific to your presidents.
Of course, accepting to take those measures was still their responsibility.

For more context:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_money

[artag]

I am so fed up with this thread appearing in the 'unread threads' view.

Is there a way to mute it ? Or kill it forever ?

[DavidAlfa]

Now the recent unread topics page will have new options letting you ignore them.
The sad part is it only allows up to 100, so eventually you'll get spammed by others anyways.

[AndyBeez]

- So he's ruining the country with all those economic aids for the screwed people during the pandemic.

If you're referring to the US, our idiot president and the bigger idiot that preceded him handed out billions of dollars in "stimulus" money during the pandemic in the most absolutely stupid way possible. It was based on the amount one earned in the previous year before the pandemic so the result was people that were doing well then got screwed by the pandemic got nothing, and people such as myself that were making more during the pandemic than we made before got multiple unsolicited deposits to our bank accounts. On top of that this "stimulus" money didn't stimulate anything because the problem never was people not having money, the problem was that everything was closed down so there was nothing to go out and spend it on. The only thing the handouts stimulated was inflation, I'm glad I put mine in savings because everything I received and then some were later consumed by the inflation that resulted.

Similar bullshit here in the UK. Covid business loans were thrown around like wedding confetti/rice to any business that needed support. Including billions of pounds of tax payers money to 'desperate' businesses that were created during the pandemic for the sole purpose of claiming loans. As a result of this minor oversight, billions of pounds of tax payers money vanished into a black hole. The then Chancellor (Treasury boss) over ruled his own officials who insisted on due dilligence to prevent fraud. The very same filthy rich asian is the British Prime Minister. As a consequence, the UK will be hit with massive tax hikes to fill a fiscal void in the public finances. Added to the perfect storm of extortionate energy prices, even loan sharks must be gritting their teeth. No escape from the impact of inflation in the crypto currency space either; not with casino exchanges wrecking the alt coins. As for US interest rates, they are now so high, liquidity is being sucked out of the global economy. US Treasury Bonds pay more than high risk investments like those counted in Euro, Yen and Bitcoin.

[DavidAlfa]

I'm only talking to what they did to protect the jobs and empoyees.

Here in Spain you have a unenployment aid/benefit you can make use of  only when getting fired or the contract expires. If you quit, you're out.
It's not free nor unlimited. Every worked year you sum 4 months. Max is 2 years.
First 6 months you get 75% of yur last 6-month average income. Then 60%.
Definitely you won't get rich at all by cheating the goverment, unless you had a really high position (Directive, Surgeon, etc, and those rarely get unenployed).

Companies started to suffer the economic consequences of the pandemic, some didn't have enough work to keep going.
So whatthe goverment did was a way to protect the both companies and workers.
Companies with insufficent activity could send workers to their homes paying nothing, and relieving their economic loads.
Workers got the 75% from the goverment taken from their unenployment bag.
This atctually didn't last long, just few months, neither it was massive, most people I know was sent to home just some weeks during the whole year.
When pandemic started to come to an end, all companies got their workers back and economy resumed strongly.
All those idiots claming it was ruining the country, every single of them ran to the get the economic assistance, most didn't need it, but their way of thinking is..well... egocentrism is their second name.
Me on top of everyone else! Hey, those have children and the both got fired - Fu** them! My new V8 gas won't pay itself!

The real sh** came out with the russian conflict.
Suddenly everything started to raise, companies expeculated with first-need products, oil, natural gas...
What? So there's no lack of supplies yet, but -just in case- we'll rise prices, because we think it might short soon.
That shouldn't be allowed!

There was a recent documental showing how the big companies were doing very dark busines practices.
There's a book about it: "The World for Sale: Money, Power, and the Traders Who Barter the Earth's Resources".
Engligh, Spanish.

For example, Russian oil was sold to non-russian oil companies, but everything was done in international waters to elude any law.
So it was the same oil, but it wasn't russian anymore  ...
Same for raw materials. Is this iron coming from Russian? I'll buy it. Now I'll sell it at twice the price.
One of those families controlling the raw materials have 14 members with more than $1BN each!

[Zero999]

Companies started to suffer the economic consequences of the government's disastrous response to the pandemic, some didn't have enough work to keep going.

Fixed.

There was also furlough in the UK, which meant the government would pay the 80% wages, up to a certain amount, of workers who had to stop work, as a result of the government's lockdowns. Unfortunately it was abused, as the company didn't have to provide proof their furloughed staff couldn't work. It also didn't cover the self-employed who hadn't paid national insurance for a certain period. The result has been a massive increase in government debt and inflation.

The real sh** came out with the government's boycotting of Russia, due to the Russian conflict, which had nothing to do with them.

Fixed.

The UK has also not invested in gas storage, which has reduced in capacity over the last 20 years.

Choosing to rely on countries we might fall out with for essentials is also a problem. We should've invested more in nuclear power to replace coal, rather than turning to gas.

[coppice]

Choosing to rely on countries we might fall out with for essentials is also a problem. We should've invested more in nuclear power to replace coal, rather than turning to gas.

A place that can't close its borders and survive in times of trouble is a vassal state. No reasonable person wants to forgo the richness of extensive trade in good times, but if its an absolute necessity to keep the population alive you will always be vulnerable to the whims of foreign powers, plagues and so on.

[Zero999]

Choosing to rely on countries we might fall out with for essentials is also a problem. We should've invested more in nuclear power to replace coal, rather than turning to gas.

A place that can't close its borders and survive in times of trouble is a vassal state. No reasonable person wants to forgo the richness of extensive trade in good times, but if its an absolute necessity to keep the population alive you will always be vulnerable to the whims of foreign powers, plagues and so on.

That's true, so I suppose we shouldn't upset those we rely on, unless it's absolutely necessary for our own protection.

[DavidAlfa]

Here the companies had to prove their condition and submit a request for manual reviewing, which could be accepted or rejected.

[eti]

Gosh tooki, I’ve clearly got you all wrong. You’re SO incredibly kind, complimentary and understanding to people, it seems, and not one little bit arrogant or full of yourself as I’d imagined. I do apologise truly - it’s so very clear from your account, how much you love and care for your fellow man, and how compassionate and accepting you are, despite maybe not agreeing with them or their style, or choices. Your clear acceptance of others and their choices, despite maybe you not liking those choices, demonstrate what a humble, endearing friend you are. Who would want to be alone when they have such a kind, intelligent person to be around! 😃

I’d had you all wrong, it seems… I’m sure you have many friends, you come across as really sensitive and kind. Cheers me old chap.

What is your damage? You need to adjust your consumption of alcohol and/or drugs either up or down, whichever will make you calm the fuck down.

No you’re a lovely chap. Sincerely.

[eti]

NO POLITICS ALLOWED.

If you make the rule you must adhere to it yourself!

Careful or captain tooki will be snapping at your heels telling you off lmao

Dave isn’t swooping into every thread with bullshit like you are.

If it wasn’t clear that I was tongue-in-cheeking Dave (and he’d surely know it, he’s the boss here) , that’s because I don’t condescend to people with  “/S” or other patronising stuff. It should be clear I don’t care what he talks about when it’s his forum. Wow. 🤯🥸

Relax Mr T. You’d might find reward in some introspection; we all need this, I speak from my own habit of being bitter and hyper sensitive at times.

If you were to look at your language, you have a rather bad habit of interspersing every sentence with needless vulgarity and blunt profanity, which not only makes you come across as VERY angry and defensive (which you may not be) but makes people want to listen LESS to you. That’s the irony of profane speech - people fool themselves into believing it’s impactful, whereas, in fact, it’s the polar opposite - it’s lazy and lacks imagination, and indicates that the person is unable to form a rational, calm response without resorting to “filler” which is attempting to make up for a lack of substantial, well-argued points.

Anyway, that’s up to you. If you want people to listen more, I find from my own experience that’s it’s exponentially more beneficial to me to stop and think about what’s causing me anger, pull it apart into the pieces that cause the knot of confusion and stress, and ALWAYS underneath all that, it’s something trivial or daft which I’ve left unresolved.

No one would actively CHOOSE to be around negative, aggressive people who curse all the time, but sadly society has become to “used to it” that it’s become “normalised”, and even in some quarters we see delusional “intellectuals” try and convince people “it shows more intelligence”

Nope. It’s lazy and disrespectful. Look, I’ll try my hardest to not be miserable and unkind; it’s definitely not my nature to be hateful or aggressive. I’ve endured a lot of nonsense (saying it mildly!) for the last 3-5 years, but I don’t think others here value my bringing into the forum, and I DO SEE myself having done so, not that I’m ashamed, but am acutely aware.

Thanks Tooki.

[DavidAlfa]

Well, actually the real boycotting came from the other side of the sea, Europeans lived in peace buying Russian gas while that big freedom nation with lots of stars dissaproved, as they would hurt their sales.
Are we denying this didn't after Russian did Nordstream 2?
I wouldn't call this boycott, but weak arses.
So much NATO blah blah, so much BAN Russian gas, those weak arses did it in the end, banning precious resources on a hurry without readibily available alternatives.
Plain stupid, we shot ourselves in the foot, and we're paying that.
European countries should actually start behave like a f. UNION, showing the rest of the world we're able to make our own decisions for our own benefit, not giving up everytime some old dinosaur yells because he doesn't like you buying from someone else.

[PlainName]

NO POLITICS ALLOWED.

If you make the rule you must adhere to it yourself!

Careful or captain tooki will be snapping at your heels telling you off lmao

Dave isn’t swooping into every thread with bullshit like you are.

If you were to look at your language, you have a rather bad habit of interspersing every sentence with needless vulgarity and blunt profanity, which not only makes you come across as VERY angry and defensive (which you may not be) but makes people want to listen LESS to you.

You could rightly suggest that I am not a fan of tooki's style, but one thing they don't have is the suggested habit of "interspersing every sentence with needless vulgarity and blunt profanity". You are bang out of order with that accusation.

Speaking of which,

That’s the irony of profane speech - people fool themselves into believing it’s impactful, whereas, in fact, it’s the polar opposite - it’s lazy and lacks imagination, and indicates that the person is unable to form a rational, calm response without resorting to “filler” which is attempting to make up for a lack of substantial, well-argued points.

You are wrong there, too. Profanity does have a place and is effective when used appropriately. I don't expect you to take my word for it so check out these sources (and there are plenty more):

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-swearing-a-sign-of-a-limited-vocabulary/
https://time.com/4602680/profanity-research-why-we-swear/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/smarter-living/the-case-for-cursing.html

Look, I’ll try my hardest to not be miserable and unkind; it’s definitely not my nature to be hateful or aggressive.

Judging from your now deleted posts in another topic, I think you have some way to go to be able to say that with a straight face.

[eti]

Ah well - we have to agree to differ on this. “Sources” literally could be from anyone or anything. I don’t hold “institutions” in ridiculously high esteem. All human knowledge is but mere foolishness to GOD, and I try my best to do what I feel is right, not what fallible, foolish man feels “feels right to me”. Doing that causes problems. I’ve learnt from hard experiences to do what is right DESPITE how I “feel”.

You don’t agree. No issue. It’s lame and lazy, and exceptionally arrogant and disrespectful of those around you. You don’t agree WITH ME, and that’s also fine. I  have the view that at least I’ve progressed to try hard NOT to swear as it IS RUDE and IS LAZY, and people WILL hold less store in the opinion of rude people . Hard facts to swallow I bet?


By the way, I’m not judging the PERSON, as a person, for using profanity - I don’t like someone less - it’s just they have a bad habit and secular “society thinks it is okay” is neither here nor there. The world is full of deceit and lies. I love PEOPLE, as much as I’m am humanly able.

Okay, gather your young, impressionable children/grandchildren around the tv and show them extremely profane, aggressive “comedy” / do some YouTube searching and then play it to 6-7 year olds and hold a clear conscience afterwards. You’ll SAY you can, but your conscience KNOWS it’s very wrong. If it doesn’t, then you, Sir, also have a VERRRRRRRY long road of lessons ahead, never mind my own road. And yeah I do have a long road, but denial is powerful and you’re being tricked and deceived by what’s agreeable and seen as “fine” by “most people” and quoting “sources” - I’m unimpressed by faux intellectual “intelligence”. You have to be pretty daft to believe that.

Ciao.

[EEVblog]

NO POLITICS ALLOWED.

If you make the rule you must adhere to it yourself!

Careful or captain tooki will be snapping at your heels telling you off lmao

Eti, please leave this thread for your own wellbeing. I don't have to tell you why.

[james_s]

A place that can't close its borders and survive in times of trouble is a vassal state. No reasonable person wants to forgo the richness of extensive trade in good times, but if its an absolute necessity to keep the population alive you will always be vulnerable to the whims of foreign powers, plagues and so on.

It's not even a matter of closing the borders, but just being self sufficient with the essential stuff. I don't blame China for looking after their own citizens first and giving them priority over goods produced. We got caught with our pants down because we were completely reliant on China to provide stuff like PPE for medical staff.