Elon Musk is a nice chap

[SiliconWizard]

The issue with the conspiracy theories is that the internet has done what it promised and given a voice to marginalized groups. The problem is some of those groups were marginalized for a good reason. It's easy to ignore the weirdo standing on the street corner holding a sign saying something outlandish, it's a lot harder when conspiracy theories are spread all over social media and get presented as fact.

That's a problem, but I still maintain it's better than censorship because no one can be trusted to decide what's misinformation and what isn't. I certainly wouldn't trust any government or organisation such as the WHO. They all have an agenda.

They are just working for the common good, trying to create so much BS we can run the whole planet on sustainable organic waste.

Yes. You literally mean, they are working to run the whole planet on shit. The plan seems to be moving forward so far.

[RJSV]

   Assuming I CAN present arguments, one approach I've encountered has a couple of hosts, while definitely partisan they do attempt to explain (events) from often 'neutral-leaning' form.  Favorite expression, used there, is "Tell us where I'm wrong", after analysis.
   Soooo, here goes, a neutral or at least blunted point:
   Pres Biden 'bewildered', as (supposedly), his attitude is one of 'UNITY' and pleasantly debate a resolution to current political differences.  But he is bewildered that soft approach isn't soothing nerves.
   But wait a second:
   "New Georgia state voting law is JIM CROW 2.0",
   "Put in place by racist opposition".

Now, true or false, that didn't sound very complementary.  Where's the partisanship, in my statement there, (although I have bias, hopefully put aside, for posting purposes).  Call ME a racist?  You should see MY skin...I'm just pointing out, Ole' Joe's speaking insults,...while expressing bewilderment.
(Or, maybe he's confused).
   "Racists, far worse than Hitler", OK I haven't heard Biden say THAT, exactly, but Biden should not express so much bewilderment, that things are polarized.

   "They'll arrest and kill your kids"...(Democrat warning)
OK, uh, that's pretty POLARIZING.
   Lately, that talk show hosts review the 'Presidential Spokesperson'.  "Terrible, just awful" they surmise,
   "...cannot even answer that (press) question, keeps flipping through that 'briefing binder' ".
  "Hasn't got a clue, what she's saying...word salad..."

   Maybe they too critical,...but that doesn't counterbalance the fact, the Spokesperson has no clue of any answer, just keeps repeating the question.
Hard to be totally neutral, but can be done, mostly.

[Zero999]

The issue with the conspiracy theories is that the internet has done what it promised and given a voice to marginalized groups. The problem is some of those groups were marginalized for a good reason. It's easy to ignore the weirdo standing on the street corner holding a sign saying something outlandish, it's a lot harder when conspiracy theories are spread all over social media and get presented as fact.

That's a problem, but I still maintain it's better than censorship because no one can be trusted to decide what's misinformation and what isn't. I certainly wouldn't trust any government or organisation such as the WHO. They all have an agenda.

You better start at education then. Nowadays the stuff taught in schools  is much less extensive compared to -say- 30 years ago. Young people have way less knowledge to determine what to trust and what not. So either way the younger generation is screwed.

A lot of indoctrination goes on in schools nowadays and there's a left-wing bias to it, because teachers being civil service workers, will always lean left.

[PlainName]

teachers being civil service workers, will always lean left

Really? If you teach you're left leaning?

That's also saying the the binmen are left leaning, since they are civil service workers. I am pretty sure some of the lot that empty our bins are raving righters.

[CatalinaWOW]

teachers being civil service workers, will always lean left

Really? If you teach you're left leaning?

That's also saying the the binmen are left leaning, since they are civil service workers. I am pretty sure some of the lot that empty our bins are raving righters.

Part of that is in whatever your definition of left and right are.  They have different meanings in different parts of the world and have changed over time.

Regardless of political leanings people tend to vote in their own self interest.  Being a fan of small government that has always made me leery of unionized public employees.  It is too easy for police, firemen, teachers and others to point to less than ideal results in their various areas and suggest that all that is needed is more money.  For higher pay to attract higher quality, for more specialists and whatever.  It all sounds reasonable, but rarely seems to turn out as predicted.

[vk6zgo]

Part of that is in whatever your definition of left and right are.  They have different meanings in different parts of the world and have changed over time.

Regardless of political leanings people tend to vote in their own self interest.  Being a fan of small government that has always made me leery of unionized public employees.  It is too easy for police, firemen, teachers and others to point to less than ideal results in their various areas and suggest that all that is needed is more money.  For higher pay to attract higher quality, for more specialists and whatever.  It all sounds reasonable, but rarely seems to turn out as predicted.

When Telecom Australia was a govt owned enterprise, with a strong union, if you reported a noisy phone line, a Tech tested the line from the nearest Exchange test desk, then somebody came out & fixed it  in the next few days.
The fault would then be recorded for future reference.

With privately owned Telstra, I reported a noisy line in January 2013, a "tech" came out, diagnosed a faulty leadin cable, but for some reason, he couldn't pull a new one through the conduit, so arranged a "contract team" to come out a week later.

I was away when they were due, & when I came back, all was working, so I assumed they had done the job.
Over the next seven years, we had repeated episodes of high noise, & following the visiting techs around like a shadow, I
watched what they did.
It became patently obvious that the cable had never been changed, but by fiddling around reterminating it, they managed to get the line back, though it was never really noise free.
Finally, in 2020, we were notified that we needed to be connected to NBN's "fibre to the curb" system, so I thought I had better get the lead in sorted out once & for all.

This time, a real tech came out, verified that the leadin cable was faulty, & pulled a new one through----something that none of his predecessors wanted to do.
By the way, I could have pulled a cable through, myself---but I'm not allowed to!

Another great trick was when my neighbour's phone line failed, Telstra "jury- rigged" a line from my cable pit, through my garden, over my roof, & down to his place.
A clever trick, & something the old Telecom Aust might have done "to get out of trouble" for maybe, a week.
This "bodge" was there for eighteen months or so!

I'm sure their "techs"are cheaper to employ than somebody with a functional brain, though!

[RJSV]

Yes, folks, I agree, but only temporarily, that you might need, say, 10 Mars cities, at 8 million pop. each, that's not so much as billions.
   I tried reversing the argument:
   Supposing:
  1.). Human life right now, established on MARS.
          ( Much like now, here.)

   2.). Propose an 'Earth Colony'.

   It's way difficult, as there are these HUGE oceans blocking everything.
   There's freezing conditions, all over the place, and often with no effective sunlight, beyond a foggy glow.
   Magnetic field can interfere with some delicate instrumentation.
   Tectonic plate movements, sometimes violent, render some structures damaged, long-term.  Meanwhile, quake related fires sometimes keep going, in the Earth's purified Oxygen blanket.  (O2 saturated atmosphere...? What were they thinking ?).

   Uncontrolled water flowing everywhere; 20-30 years max, before erosion changes (your compound buildings).  Political prisoners, upon any successful ESCAPE, can often survive for months, without any breathing tanks, and can re-appear later as a threat.

   All those liquid oceans can't even directly supply potable water...too salty.  Plus, many large predators remain hidden, in Earth's sea water, only to surface when hunting.  Oh, and flying BIRDS, while not so predatory, still spread waste...airborne and accelerated by the nasty high level of gravity;  try just 1 'hop', on Earth...barely even clear the ground...

   Nooo, not me, I'm staying home, where all I need is a mild pressure suit, and little air supply tank.

[MT]

This tread has two titles one is Elon Musk is delusional the other is Elon Musk is a nice chap.
Now that Elon decided to vote Reptilians all hell broke loose in the US Democraps liberal eugenics gov who now want to start investigating the traitor's ownership in his 8USD Twatter crap! 
So the thread titles are correct!   (the real reason Elon bought Twatter is to be able to write off 400billion USD the big financial know it all's says.
Btw there is no way you can go to Mars and back on a chemical rocket!

[SiliconWizard]

Now the question is, are europeans going to make it through the winter.

[james_s]

That's a problem, but I still maintain it's better than censorship because no one can be trusted to decide what's misinformation and what isn't. I certainly wouldn't trust any government or organisation such as the WHO. They all have an agenda.

Oh I do agree that it's better than censorship, but I also recognize that it's a serious problem. I wish I had a good solution but I don't, other than personally not using social media.

[james_s]

This time, a real tech came out, verified that the leadin cable was faulty, & pulled a new one through----something that none of his predecessors wanted to do.
By the way, I could have pulled a cable through, myself---but I'm not allowed to!

Who's going to stop you?

[james_s]

teachers being civil service workers, will always lean left

Really? If you teach you're left leaning?

That's also saying the the binmen are left leaning, since they are civil service workers. I am pretty sure some of the lot that empty our bins are raving righters.

As with anything there's a range. I think at least in the USA most union workers are left leaning, teachers and garbage workers are both union jobs here. I don't know if the same is true elsewhere in the world. Education in the USA, everything from primary school through universities are left leaning to left wing, there are individual exceptions of course but they tend to be bullied out. Academia is the epicenter of left wing wokeism.

[SiliconWizard]

teachers being civil service workers, will always lean left

Really? If you teach you're left leaning?

That's also saying the the binmen are left leaning, since they are civil service workers. I am pretty sure some of the lot that empty our bins are raving righters.

As with anything there's a range. I think at least in the USA most union workers are left leaning, teachers and garbage workers are both union jobs here. I don't know if the same is true elsewhere in the world. Education in the USA, everything from primary school through universities are left leaning to left wing, there are individual exceptions of course but they tend to be bullied out. Academia is the epicenter of left wing wokeism.

Pretty much the same here.

[Ed.Kloonk]

This time, a real tech came out, verified that the leadin cable was faulty, & pulled a new one through----something that none of his predecessors wanted to do.
By the way, I could have pulled a cable through, myself---but I'm not allowed to!

Who's going to stop you?

Hehehe 

Don't let him fool ya about how wonderful Telecom was back in the '80s. Maybe things were peachy on his side of the continent, but over here they were pricks.

A West Australian comedian even wrote a song about how shitty they were.
"You're supposed to ****** help, not make it ****** hard!"

[PlainName]

teachers being civil service workers, will always lean left

Really? If you teach you're left leaning?

That's also saying the the binmen are left leaning, since they are civil service workers. I am pretty sure some of the lot that empty our bins are raving righters.

As with anything there's a range.

I don't think "always" indicates a range.

[PlainName]

(the real reason Elon bought Twatter is to be able to write off 400billion USD the big financial know it all's says.

I think the real reason is that he just shot off his mouth, as he is wont to do, and then found the hole he'd dug himself too steep to climb out of. He doesn't, and didn't, want Twitter at all. Just annoyed with them and spouted off. He doesn't want it now, but he's stuck with it and trying to make the best of a bad job.

[Ed.Kloonk]

(the real reason Elon bought Twatter is to be able to write off 400billion USD the big financial know it all's says.

I think the real reason is that he just shot off his mouth, as he is wont to do, and then found the hole he'd dug himself too steep to climb out of. He doesn't, and didn't, want Twitter at all. Just annoyed with them and spouted off. He doesn't want it now, but he's stuck with it and trying to make the best of a bad job.

One theory I heard is that there was a meeting when he was looking for a spot on the board and after that he got left with such a nasty taste in his mouth by their attitude that he went home and thought.. "you know what.."

[Zero999]

teachers being civil service workers, will always lean left

Really? If you teach you're left leaning?

That's also saying the the binmen are left leaning, since they are civil service workers. I am pretty sure some of the lot that empty our bins are raving righters.

Generally yes. Left wing parties such as the UK Labour and US Democratic parties want to invest more in the public sector and people vote in their own interests. I doubt there are many teachers and university lecturers who would vote for Conservatives who want to make cuts.

[PlainName]

One theory I heard is that there was a meeting when he was looking for a spot on the board and after that he got left with such a nasty taste in his mouth by their attitude that he went home and thought.. "you know what.."

Yes, that seems most likely.

[PlainName]

teachers being civil service workers, will always lean left

Really? If you teach you're left leaning?

That's also saying the the binmen are left leaning, since they are civil service workers. I am pretty sure some of the lot that empty our bins are raving righters.

Generally yes. Left wing parties such as the UK Labour and US Democratic parties want to invest more in the public sector and people vote in their own interests. I doubt there are many teachers and university lecturers who would vote for Conservatives who want to make cuts.

Ah! Well 'generally' isn't 'always', you know, and make a BIG difference.

I don't think you need to be a lefty to not vote for the crowd that's going to stiff your pay. Indeed, the other lot may decide not to increase it if they get in - would you then be a righty for not voting for them?

That's a problem when it comes to insinuating someone is this way or that way: if a single thing is on a manifesto then it's assumed anyone wanting that also wants everything else on that manifesto and are thus rabid <other side>.

[coppice]

teachers being civil service workers, will always lean left

Really? If you teach you're left leaning?

That's also saying the the binmen are left leaning, since they are civil service workers. I am pretty sure some of the lot that empty our bins are raving righters.

Whatever their reasons for being left wing, many studies of teachers at all levels, from kindergarten to university, in many countries show pretty much the same thing. In the 1960s the majority of teachers were left leaning, and now that pattern has become extreme. It varies by discipline. Hard science people tend to be the least left leaning, but even there there is a left leaning bias. In some disciplines there is barely a conservative left. One thing which has changed enormously in my lifetime is that at school in the 1960s I had little idea of the political leanings of my teachers. Now they can be really overt.

[vk6zgo]

This time, a real tech came out, verified that the leadin cable was faulty, & pulled a new one through----something that none of his predecessors wanted to do.
By the way, I could have pulled a cable through, myself---but I'm not allowed to!

Who's going to stop you?

Hehehe 

Don't let him fool ya about how wonderful Telecom was back in the '80s. Maybe things were peachy on his side of the continent, but over here they were pricks.

A West Australian comedian even wrote a song about how shitty they were.
"You're supposed to ****** help, not make it ****** hard!"

They didn't have to be wonderful to be a lot better than Telstra------people bitched if they had to wait 7 weeks, not 7 years like now!

[vk6zgo]

teachers being civil service workers, will always lean left

Really? If you teach you're left leaning?

That's also saying the the binmen are left leaning, since they are civil service workers. I am pretty sure some of the lot that empty our bins are raving righters.

Generally yes. Left wing parties such as the UK Labour and US Democratic parties want to invest more in the public sector and people vote in their own interests. I doubt there are many teachers and university lecturers who would vote for Conservatives who want to make cuts.

Ah! Well 'generally' isn't 'always', you know, and make a BIG difference.

I don't think you need to be a lefty to not vote for the crowd that's going to stiff your pay. Indeed, the other lot may decide not to increase it if they get in - would you then be a righty for not voting for them?

That's a problem when it comes to insinuating someone is this way or that way: if a single thing is on a manifesto then it's assumed anyone wanting that also wants everything else on that manifesto and are thus rabid <other side>.

A soon as I hear "woke" I have a pretty good impression of what side of politics they are rabid supporters of.

[AVGresponding]

teachers being civil service workers, will always lean left

Really? If you teach you're left leaning?

That's also saying the the binmen are left leaning, since they are civil service workers. I am pretty sure some of the lot that empty our bins are raving righters.

Whatever their reasons for being left wing, many studies of teachers at all levels, from kindergarten to university, in many countries show pretty much the same thing. In the 1960s the majority of teachers were left leaning, and now that pattern has become extreme. It varies by discipline. Hard science people tend to be the least left leaning, but even there there is a left leaning bias. In some disciplines there is barely a conservative left. One thing which has changed enormously in my lifetime is that at school in the 1960s I had little idea of the political leanings of my teachers. Now they can be really overt.

This would seem to imply that those on the right of politics have no interest in education. Imagine that...

[james_s]

A soon as I hear "woke" I have a pretty good impression of what side of politics they are rabid supporters of.

In a lot of cases your assumption would be wrong. I'm not a supporter of any political party, I'm a moderate centrist, left leaning on most topics, and I can't stand all the "woke" nonsense. It centers around the inherently racist and sexist identity politics.