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Re: Elon Musk is a nice chap
« Reply #1475 on: January 06, 2023, 07:02:36 pm »
Why on earth would anyone get married or have kids under those constraints? Was remaining a bachelor prohibited too?
People had lower expectations, and moving back to parents or to employer-provided hostel did not sound as terrible idea back then. Being a bachelor or having de facto relationship was permitted, but entry into certain professions required marriage as prerequisite. For example, a bachelor could not make career in KGB.
 

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« Reply #1476 on: January 06, 2023, 07:11:30 pm »
… being unemployed was prohibited though, and offenders were tried in courts for “parasitism” and sent to labor camps.
 

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« Reply #1477 on: January 06, 2023, 07:38:44 pm »
People had lower expectations, and moving back to parents or to employer-provided hostel did not sound as terrible idea back then. Being a bachelor or having de facto relationship was permitted, but entry into certain professions required marriage as prerequisite. For example, a bachelor could not make career in KGB.

That's interesting, it seems like being a bachelor would be ideal for positions like that which could be dangerous and require a lot of travel. A person with no wife/kids is much more able to go off and do things without a family wondering where they are or digging into their affairs.
 

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« Reply #1478 on: January 06, 2023, 07:48:20 pm »
People had lower expectations, and moving back to parents or to employer-provided hostel did not sound as terrible idea back then. Being a bachelor or having de facto relationship was permitted, but entry into certain professions required marriage as prerequisite. For example, a bachelor could not make career in KGB.

That's interesting, it seems like being a bachelor would be ideal for positions like that which could be dangerous and require a lot of travel. A person with no wife/kids is much more able to go off and do things without a family wondering where they are or digging into their affairs.
On the other hand, having the family back home gives the state a certain amount of leverage, should the employee feel like conditions might be more favourable overseas
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« Reply #1479 on: January 06, 2023, 08:10:23 pm »
That's interesting, it seems like being a bachelor would be ideal for positions like that which could be dangerous and require a lot of travel. A person with no wife/kids is much more able to go off and do things without a family wondering where they are or digging into their affairs.
Married men are less likely to defect or get romantically involved with enemies of the state.
As an added bonus, wife and children can serve as hostages. The jobs like that require loyalty to the organization. KGB hired smart people, and communist propaganda brainwashing did not work well enough to ensure complete loyalty of its smart and well informed members. Taking hostages was technique favored by KGB to reinforce the loyalty.
 
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« Reply #1480 on: January 06, 2023, 08:24:55 pm »
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René Salinas Ramos says the legal change is an attempt to gain full custody of his daughters, because Ecuadoran law favors mothers in custody battles.
Did this legal move make him a mother?

PS. Ecuadorian laws remind me of Soviet laws. Divorce in the USSR meant two inevitable things to a former husband: loss of custody of his children and homelessness. The latter meant moving back to the parent’s apparent or to a hostel, because homelessness was also prohibited. The law called “MOTHERHOOD AND CHILDHOOD PROTECTION ACT” mandated that upon a divorce the custody of children should remain with the mother in 100% of the cases, and that the mother and children cannot be evicted from the residence they occupied prior to the divorce. Property ownership was prohibited under Soviet laws, and all residential properties were tenanted either from the state or cooperatives. The state would evict the former husband.

PPS. I did not know Elon was heading to Ecuador.
I admit, I don't know much about Ecuador, but a quick Internet search has revealed it has been run by left-leaning/socialist governments for the last 40 years, so it shouldn't be surprising. The USSR did have some crazy policies, which are being repeated in the west: affirmative action is the most prominent one which springs to mind.

A good example why what you identify with stuff is total nonsense.
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Man Legally Changed Gender to Gain Custody of His Kids. Trans Groups Are Concerned.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7gdny/man-legally-changed-gender-to-gain-custody-of-his-kids-trans-groups-are-concerned
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/bulletins/genderidentityenglandandwales/census2021

Meanwhile, the results of the most recent census conducted in 2021 reveal only 262k people out of 67.33 million in the UK identify as transgender. This is fewer than 0.5% of the adult population, or 0.38% if we include children, who should be considered to be too young to know for sure. Interestingly, out of the 262k, only 96k identified as either female or male, with a 50:50 split, meaning there are only 48k transwomen. The idea of changing the law, for such a tiny minority is crazy. It wouldn't matter if it wasn't open to abuse, but that's blatantly not the case. There are definitely more dishonest men, than 48k transwomen.

 

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Re: Elon Musk is a nice chap
« Reply #1481 on: January 07, 2023, 01:22:12 am »
A good example why what you identify with stuff is total nonsense.
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Man Legally Changed Gender to Gain Custody of His Kids. Trans Groups Are Concerned.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7gdny/man-legally-changed-gender-to-gain-custody-of-his-kids-trans-groups-are-concerned
No, what it is an example of is a bad, sexist law (the one giving more rights to mothers).

There's tons of stuff in laws around the world that needlessly codify discrimination by sex. It's no wonder people seek workarounds for those indignities.
 

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Re: Elon Musk is a nice chap
« Reply #1482 on: January 07, 2023, 08:49:04 am »
A good example why what you identify with stuff is total nonsense.
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Man Legally Changed Gender to Gain Custody of His Kids. Trans Groups Are Concerned.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7gdny/man-legally-changed-gender-to-gain-custody-of-his-kids-trans-groups-are-concerned
No, what it is an example of is a bad, sexist law (the one giving more rights to mothers).

There's tons of stuff in laws around the world that needlessly codify discrimination by sex. It's no wonder people seek workarounds for those indignities.
In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.
 

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Re: Elon Musk is a nice chap
« Reply #1483 on: January 07, 2023, 09:14:05 am »
In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.

Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.
 

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Re: Elon Musk is a nice chap
« Reply #1484 on: January 07, 2023, 09:36:24 am »
In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.

Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.

In some countries you can be considered 'married' if you live together long enough but are never legally married. 

 

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Re: Elon Musk is a nice chap
« Reply #1485 on: January 07, 2023, 11:58:47 am »
In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.

Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.

In some countries you can be considered 'married' if you live together long enough but are never legally married.

What a nuisance that would be, having to keep an eye on the calendar to make sure you got out in time! Fortunately in the UK we don't have such a law.
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Re: Elon Musk is a nice chap
« Reply #1486 on: January 07, 2023, 12:59:09 pm »
In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.

Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.

In some countries you can be considered 'married' if you live together long enough but are never legally married.

What a nuisance that would be, having to keep an eye on the calendar to make sure you got out in time! Fortunately in the UK we don't have such a law.

Oh yes we do. If you need to claim benefits then your partner's resources will be taken into account as if you were a married couple. And to rub the salt in, you can't acquire benefits married couples get unless you're actually married - should one die without leaving a will, their dosh goes to the crown rather than the other partner, for instance.
 

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Re: Elon Musk is a nice chap
« Reply #1487 on: January 07, 2023, 04:19:51 pm »
In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.

Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.

In some countries you can be considered 'married' if you live together long enough but are never legally married.

What a nuisance that would be, having to keep an eye on the calendar to make sure you got out in time! Fortunately in the UK we don't have such a law.

Oh yes we do. If you need to claim benefits then your partner's resources will be taken into account as if you were a married couple. And to rub the salt in, you can't acquire benefits married couples get unless you're actually married - should one die without leaving a will, their dosh goes to the crown rather than the other partner, for instance.

That's not the same as being considered to be married. If you share your habitation with other adults you don't have a sexual/life-partner relationship with, their income will also be considered in a benefits situation.

The main point, in context, is that if you co-habit with a partner for any length of time, without being married, or having a civil partnership, if the relationship ends no-one will have any automatic claim on the other's assets or income.
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Re: Elon Musk is a nice chap
« Reply #1488 on: January 07, 2023, 05:54:47 pm »
In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.

Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.

In some countries you can be considered 'married' if you live together long enough but are never legally married.
What  if my sister were to divorce and she and the children ended up living with me? Surly that wouldn't apply.
 

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Re: Elon Musk is a nice chap
« Reply #1489 on: January 07, 2023, 09:10:55 pm »
In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.

Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.

In some countries you can be considered 'married' if you live together long enough but are never legally married.
What  if my sister were to divorce and she and the children ended up living with me? Surly that wouldn't apply.

 ;D

I'd be curious to know which countries it is exactly. I've never heard of that and it sure sounds dodgy. But if it's true, the claim should be backed up with some evidence.

Legally speaking, there are circumstances in which an explicit contract between two persons may not be required to establish an implicit contract. That is for instance the case for house renting, at least over here. If no renting contract was established, but someone is effectively living in a house and paying a rent monthly to a landlord, then after some given delay (don't remember how long), it's considered there's an implicit contract. I've never heard of such a thing for something as private and personal as marriage, and would be curious to know where it would apply. If it ever exists, I would suspect this would be in some country that is politically led by an official religion. From a civil point of view, an implicit marriage sounds like a complete nonsense.
 

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« Reply #1490 on: January 07, 2023, 10:27:38 pm »
An implied contract of marriage is often called "common-law marriage" in English-speaking countries, but it is governed by statutes in the US, and usually banned (State option).
Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, and the District of Columbia still recognize common-law marriage, with different requirements.
 

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« Reply #1491 on: January 08, 2023, 12:23:50 am »
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The main point, in context, is that if you co-habit with a partner for any length of time, without being married, or having a civil partnership, if the relationship ends no-one will have any automatic claim on the other's assets or income.

Yes, that's what I said.

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That's not the same as being considered to be married. If you share your habitation with other adults you don't have a sexual/life-partner relationship with, their income will also be considered in a benefits situation.

Yes. that's what I said.

Where a penalty for being together is concerned, you're treated as if you're married. Where it's a benefit of being together, you're treated as being separate.
 

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« Reply #1492 on: January 15, 2023, 10:19:31 pm »
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The main point, in context, is that if you co-habit with a partner for any length of time, without being married, or having a civil partnership, if the relationship ends no-one will have any automatic claim on the other's assets or income.

This is not the case in many jurisdictions where children or shared assets are involved courts can still rule on division of assets or financial support issues irrespective of formal marriage
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« Reply #1493 on: January 16, 2023, 07:13:42 pm »
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The main point, in context, is that if you co-habit with a partner for any length of time, without being married, or having a civil partnership, if the relationship ends no-one will have any automatic claim on the other's assets or income.

This is not the case in many jurisdictions where children or shared assets are involved courts can still rule on division of assets or financial support issues irrespective of formal marriage

Indeed they can, but it's on a case by case basis. Wouldn't surprise me if the person with the best lawyer wins, regardless of other considerations, in these situations.
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« Reply #1494 on: January 19, 2023, 06:59:32 pm »
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« Reply #1495 on: January 19, 2023, 07:40:54 pm »
You can see the considerable tension between groups of even non-mainstream journalists. Especially the ones, like Taibbi who have connections (he was the first journo approached to report on the Twitter Files) and the five in your video, who don't. So they criticize him for reporting behind a paywall (do they understand how substack works?) and he ignores them for talking about "conspiracies" (I suspect the real reasons are more subtle). There's a risk that you get a misleading picture if you only watch or read one side.
 

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« Reply #1496 on: January 19, 2023, 08:32:08 pm »
In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.

Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.

In some countries you can be considered 'married' if you live together long enough but are never legally married.
What  if my sister were to divorce and she and the children ended up living with me? Surly that wouldn't apply.

 ;D

I'd be curious to know which countries it is exactly. I've never heard of that and it sure sounds dodgy. But if it's true, the claim should be backed up with some evidence.

Legally speaking, there are circumstances in which an explicit contract between two persons may not be required to establish an implicit contract. That is for instance the case for house renting, at least over here. If no renting contract was established, but someone is effectively living in a house and paying a rent monthly to a landlord, then after some given delay (don't remember how long), it's considered there's an implicit contract. I've never heard of such a thing for something as private and personal as marriage, and would be curious to know where it would apply. If it ever exists, I would suspect this would be in some country that is politically led by an official religion. From a civil point of view, an implicit marriage sounds like a complete nonsense.

In the UK common-law marriage hasn't technically been a thing since 1753, but people cohabiting sometimes get thought of as beeing in a common-law marriage. Common-law marriage was basically 2 people agreed to live as if they were married, but without the ceremony.

Depending on how you're cohabiting you might have certain protections/responsibilities e.g. if you're helping to maintain the house etc. Over the past decade or so, they've been talking about adding additional protections to those cohabiting since it has increased in popularity.

There are examples of where an implicit marriage makes sense; 2 people living together for 50 years - one falls ill, all of their relatives are dead, who is the next of kin?
Or the classic whereby a couple have a child, the woman leaves her job to raise the child in her partner's house, then the man meets a new girlfriend and runs off with her. Here an implicit marriage would give the woman certain financial protections such as not becoming homeless; the alternative is she has no recourse.

It does serve a purpose.

The logic of it applying it implicitly goes a bit like this; well they're living together, they're in a intimate relationship, they argue, they go on holiday together, they share the bills - these are all things married couples do - and they've being doing it for a significant period of time, so we might as well treat them as married. I'm sure you've met people who live in this kind of situation - for all intents and purposes they are effectively married; whether in the official sense or not; so why should they be treated differently in the legal sense.
Obviously in practice they are treated differently - but that isn't really just

 

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« Reply #1497 on: January 19, 2023, 08:39:07 pm »
There's a risk that you get a misleading picture if you only watch or read one side.

Well, that's for sure.

Now Musk is an ambiguous character. He has warned about the risks of AI, yet has invested massively in it, with no real sign of doing it any more "ethically" than any other. He is claiming to defend freedom of speech and denounces censorship and government influence, yet the core of his businesses has been heavily subsidized with public money. He has warned about transhumanism, yet is doing Neuralink.

The whole Twitter drama has been "entertaining" both woke/leftists and those who think there's still a chance to get back society to a state in which freedom is a core value. Is it any more than just entertainment? Starting to doubt it.

So should one trust him? Your call. Probably not. The probability that he's just yanking everyone's chain while effectively being some kind of "trojan horse" is significant.
 
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« Reply #1498 on: January 19, 2023, 08:40:03 pm »
for all intents and purposes they are effectively married; whether in the official sense or not; so why should they be treated differently in the legal sense.
Obviously in practice they are treated differently - but that isn't really just

Because they're not married, they have not agreed to a contract that combines their assets. If they wanted to be married they would be, if they've been living together and not married it's because they chose to. They should absolutely NOT be treated as married in the legal sense.
 
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