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Electrons are round!
« on: July 07, 2023, 03:46:58 pm »
 

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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2023, 04:30:41 pm »
I call for equal rights for  electrons who wish to identify as triangles.
 
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2023, 05:19:37 pm »
 

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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2023, 05:21:29 pm »
Why are they round? Is it due to their gravity?
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2023, 05:52:55 pm »
Electrons are round because the scientists have to publish some results regularly (while receiving funding for their research from public sources usually)..  >:D
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2023, 06:34:01 pm »
Point like objects can't be anything but like round.
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2023, 06:40:35 pm »
Point like objects cant be anything but point like.  ;D
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2023, 06:42:25 pm »
Don't rely on the headline.
The actual research result involved an upper limit on the dipole moment of the electron.
"Roundness" is not a real technical term in particle physics.
 
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2023, 06:49:57 pm »
I've always known that electrons are round, just by the diagram below:


So this isn't anything new to me :-DD
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2023, 08:05:54 pm »
"an electric field would exert a torque on them, much as gravity topples an egg standing on its end"

The gravity don't have any effect on the electrons shape ?
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2023, 08:11:49 pm »
I call for equal rights for  electrons who wish to identify as triangles.

Yeah, what about the right for the Earth to identify as flat though?
 

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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2023, 08:36:20 pm »
I call for equal rights for  electrons who wish to identify as triangles.

Knock that shit out.  You dont have to crap your nonsense in every thread.
 
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2023, 12:38:04 pm »
What is solid?

If nucleus is expanded to the size of a fist how far are the first two electrons?
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2023, 02:35:23 pm »
I've always known that electrons are round, just by the diagram below:


So this isn't anything new to me :-DD
That's wrong. Electrons don't orbit atoms like that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital?useskin=vector
 

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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2023, 05:49:49 pm »
Don't rely on the headline.
The actual research result involved an upper limit on the dipole moment of the electron.
"Roundness" is not a real technical term in particle physics.

Apparently that's what we get from "Science News -- Independent Journalism since 1921". Looks like the term independent means "We reserve the right to make up our own terminology if it helps with the clicks."
 
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2023, 10:34:24 pm »
Well, the article they cite is this: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adg4084

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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2023, 08:51:34 am »
That's wrong. Electrons don't orbit atoms like that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital?useskin=vector

Humbug. How should that work, since we all know the earth is flat.
 

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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2023, 11:28:49 am »
Round, smound; more important is electrons are yellow.
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2023, 08:39:43 pm »
I've always known that electrons are round, just by the diagram below:


So this isn't anything new to me :-DD
That's wrong. Electrons don't orbit atoms like that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital?useskin=vector

it's the diagram that is shown to you when you first learn about how electrons distribute in layers, from that you are taught how many holes there are in the outer orbit layer allowing electrons from other atoms to pop in to say hi and thus form chemical bonds. Noble metals have complete layers, hence as on smart alec in my class joked, they don't lower themselves to mix with other elements.
 

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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2023, 08:46:13 pm »
Yes:  it's a diagram of atomic shell structure, not an image of the atom.
 
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2023, 08:57:07 pm »
Electrons are just a fantasy anyway.
We all know that all there is, a bunch of hugging photons.
 

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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2023, 09:03:01 pm »
I always thought that in the world of quantum physics electrons are probably 'around' - but not certainly. When [if] there is Quantum Entanglement, the whole shape argument turns into a lava lamp of inseparable possibilities. Except where there is entropy.

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+EDIT Just been asked, if electrons are round, then why are phone batteries flat  :-//
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2023, 06:18:43 am »
Just been asked, if electrons are round, then why are phone batteries flat  :-//

Oh, that's because the larger atoms have that pancake shape shown in Bryn's diagram above.  :P
 

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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2023, 11:17:11 pm »
Electrons are just a fantasy anyway.
We all know that all there is, a bunch of hugging photons.
Everything is photons. There is no such thing as a solid little nut (electron) orbiting a nucleus.

In an atom, what we have is a photon orbiting a nucleus. Let us name this an elektron. It has a negative charge. It radiates, & radiation needs energy. But, that radiation is little different to ordinary radiation that radiates from every photon all the time for ever. The energy comes from the aether, we dont know how. Elektrons migrating along in a wire give us (a slow) elektricity.


When a photon forms a loop (by biting its own tail) then it makes an electron. Electrons have a negative charge. Electrons can sit on & migrate on a surface -- or fly throo space – they give us static charge -- & movement (on a surface)(or through space) gives us (a slow) electricity.
The acceleration of an electron needs the input of energy. And apparently the acceleration of an electron needs additional input of energy to replace energy radiated by the acceleration.

What standard science calls electricity in a wire is actually due to photons hugging the surface of a wire. Let us name these elektons. Elektons have a negative charge. Elektons propagate at the speed of light, & give us (fast) elekticity.

Elektons & elektrons propagate at the speed of light all the time for ever, so in that sense there can be no acceleration of the propagation. But, elektons & elektrons can be made to change course or move or migrate, & i don’t know whether this requires input of energy.

And, we have (fast) Elekticity, & (slow) Elektricity, & (slow) Electricity -- 3 kinds.
And we can add the ionic form of (slow) electricity, where negative ions migrate -- this needs a new name -- iontricity praps.
And we can add the positive ionic form of (slow) electricity, where positive ions migrate -- this needs a new name -- positricity praps.
And if in the positricity the positive ions are simply protons then this needs a new sub-name -- protricity praps. So, we have 6 kinds of electricity.
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Re: Electrons are round!
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2023, 11:46:45 pm »
Once again, if electricity “hugs the surface” of a wire, then why does the DC conductance (reciprocal of resistance) scale with the cross-sectional area, not the circumference?
 
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