I believe that the landing happened, but I am prepared to accept if it is proved it didn't.
So prove that it didn't,
or quit blathering nonsense.
There's as much proof that men walked on the moon as there is proof that we have sent rovers to Mars, or divers to the deep sea, or satellites into low earth orbit. What more is there to even discuss on the matter? Many thousands of people were involved in the effort which was one of the most monumental projects in the history of the nation. Hundreds of companies designed and built equipment, there is mountains of documentation, thousands of artifacts surviving from the missions, various bits of hardware from the rockets still orbiting the earth, images of some of the landing sites that remain on the moon along with a retroreflector placed there by the astronauts. Thousands of civilians watched the launches in person, millions watched the earlier flights live on TV.
There is an absolutely massive amount of evidence that it all happened exactly as claimed and if someone managed to fake that I would find the faking a far more impressive feat than actually going there.
Any claims to it being fake constitute extraordinary claims, and extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, of which nothing of the sort has been presented.
All I see here is someone who wasn't alive when the moon missions took place
, going on and on about a fictional movie as if that movie produced as entertainment is some sort of documentary or is in any way useful in learning about the actual events.
So prove that it didn't,
I'm not interested in proving anything. I'm interested in discussing what the OP proposed: the apparent non viability of landing two people on the moon in 1969.Quoteor quit blathering nonsense.
Is this censorship?
Quote, going on and on about a fictional movie as if that movie produced as entertainment is some sort of documentary or is in any way useful in learning about the actual events.
The film raised questions, can't we discuss them?
Of course you can, but - like all other forums - this forum has a particular bias. This forum is very open to people who ask well-meaning but ignorant questions, and who listen to the responses. But away-with-the-faeries propositions are called such, and it becomes tiresome when people continue to advocate them beyond reason.
I'm sure you can find a "conspiracy-theories-r-us" forum which will welcome and support such nonsense.
Of course you can, but - like all other forums - this forum has a particular bias. This forum is very open to people who ask well-meaning but ignorant questions, and who listen to the responses. But away-with-the-faeries propositions are called such, and it becomes tiresome when people continue to advocate them beyond reason.
I'm sure you can find a "conspiracy-theories-r-us" forum which will welcome and support such nonsense.
I understand. Well-meaning ignorant questions. No conspiracies. So two people somehow landed on the moon in 1969. That's an unquestionable truth. Can we discuss what were the safety measures taken in case the LM didn't land exactly vertically? I mean, let's suppose it toppled on landing. How could the astronauts be rescued? Was there a backup space ship? I am sure such a question was raised by the engineers who designed the LM.
Use google to find the real and definitive answers to your questions.
Use google to find the real and definitive answers to your questions.
After all, why do we need a forum?
no one was capable of repeating the feat, not even the US, after 50 years, with all the immense advancements in technology that we had since then. All the details related to the construction of the spacecrafts that landed on the moon and the flight plans are classified, preventing any peer review
The film raised questions, can't we discuss them?
As I said earlier in the thread, this is an ongoing discussion between me and my scientific / engineering friends here in Germany.
At 02:56 UTC July 21, 1969.
After watching First Man:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1213641/
I was disappointed to see some lack of enginnering details and a lot romance in it. I was expectiong something like the Martian with much more "realistic" technical discussions.
Anyway I started to think about the technical problems they needed to solve/manage, and the more I think the more I got pushed in the "never happened" bucket.
When an Italian like me, with spanish money, discovered America we returned to that land more and more. Do they never went back to the moon? Not even once?
In my heart I believe a man was walking on the moon, but my brain is still not 100% convinced. It seems technically impossible. Please help.
PS: Am I becoming like a flat earth guy?![]()
PPS: Any good book I can read on this topic?
This pictures still just fascinate me:
After all, why do we need a forum?
For discussion of topics and questions that cannot be trivially found on this website.
I find it shocking that after all this disscusion, you still don't know that there were several manned missions to the moon.
But the reason, why we have this discussion in the first place is that there are scientific inconsistencies and those can not be discussed away.
We might never find out the truth.
As I said earlier in the thread, this is an ongoing discussion between me and my scientific / engineering friends here in Germany.
And yes, there is plenty of evidence that the USA put an Astronaut on the moon in 1969.
(I was alive and watched it with my dad in Germany)
But the reason, why we have this discussion in the first place is that there are scientific inconsistencies and those can not be discussed away.
We might never find out the truth.
As I said earlier in the thread, this is an ongoing discussion between me and my scientific / engineering friends here in Germany.
Here someone points to various engineering related conundrums:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKbFPgUlYZufEraOs8rFktQ/videos
But think about the odds. What if something went wrong and they got stranded there, without any possibility of rescue? Do you think the US would risk turning the moon forever into a tomb? Into the place of a tragic historical event?
(...) I worked on the Lunar Module program. We went to the Moon (...)
The manned mission to the Moon was expected to be very difficult, that was the reason Kennedy chose it as something that could beat the Soviets while giving the US time to catch up.
At the (more or less) same time he (Kennedy) suggested join cooperation with Soviets for a moon expedition
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-4209/ch2-4.htm
Most crazy beliefs are a symptom of psychiatric illness.
Not really. Billions of people believe in a supernatural being they call "God". That is clearly crazy. Usually people use the term "crazy" to mean an irrational belief not shared by the rest of the population.
So Cooper and Aldrin are crazy and irrational? I doubt that even most rabid flat earthers would imply something like that.
So you're saying believing in something for which there is no proof is not crazy or at least irrational?
Freemasonry /.../ requires of its members a belief in God as part of the obligation of every responsible adult
http://www.msana.com/religion.aspQuoteFreemasonry /.../ requires of its members a belief in God as part of the obligation of every responsible adult
The manned mission to the Moon was expected to be very difficult, that was the reason Kennedy chose it as something that could beat the Soviets while giving the US time to catch up.
At the (more or less) same time he (Kennedy) suggested join cooperation with Soviets for a moon expedition
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-4209/ch2-4.htm
You've misinterpreted that. The proposal for cooperation came from the Soviets, after their own manned Moon mission was abandoned.
At his June 3-4, 1961 summit meeting in Vienna with Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev, Kennedy suggested, “Why don’t we do it together?”