Covid 19 virus

[Electro Detective]

I am curious how long my posting here is uncensored to be seen.

Oh so we are part of the conspiracy. Humor us clever dick, why would this be a big hoax. Go on, don't just post other people bull, tell us in your infinite wisdom, why?

Then stop the bullying.
The whole story around it is much too serious for that.
End of discussion!

In case you forgot. I am the one that get's to ban you when you have pissed me off enough, and if you think that proves your stupid little theories right then I'll tell you while i still have the chance that it does not!

@ hwj-d   please post the censored stuff again, but try tone it down a bit mate,
and put yourself in the Mods' shoes.. or flip flops ?   

Simon has enough corpotrolls, bs conspiracy clowns, and idiots from other electronics forums causing drama here to deal with already 

[Bud]

Multiple accusations of US snatching mask shipments destined for other countries

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/id_87648648/coronavirus-pandemie-masken-beschlagnahmt-usa-reagiert-auf-vorwuerfe.html

[Cerebus]

@ hwj-d   please post the censored stuff again, but try tone it down a bit mate,
and put yourself in the Mods' shoes.. or flip flops ?   

Simon has enough corpotrolls, bs conspiracy clowns, and idiots from other electronics forums causing drama here to deal with already 

Why do you want him to repost stuff that wasn't actually censored? It's all still there. And still as dumb as it was. And still full of bouncing ^e _y ^e _b ^r _o ^w _s.

[Martin72]

Multiple accusations of US snatching mask shipments destined for other countries

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/id_87648648/coronavirus-pandemie-masken-beschlagnahmt-usa-reagiert-auf-vorwuerfe.html

America first, don´t you know ? 

[PlainName]

Criminal negligence, lies and a massive cover-up by the government...

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw-health-allowed-cruise-ship-passengers-to-disembark-despite-test-results-pending-20200403-p54gze.html

That's not the impression I got from the article which says that there were no positive cases onboard and the ones with the right kind of symptoms had matched for flu. Plus the disembarkers were supposed to self-isolate. All this at a time when the gravity of the situation wasn't really grasped by anyone, so locking up people on a docked boat just in case would have been equally tricky. I guess the assumption was that if any of those 15 test came back positive they could just pick up the appropriate people from their isolation.

For all his faults, Trump shows how difficult this stuff can be. Public officials have to weigh many competing factors in their decisions, and often they will get slated whatever they do. Internet warriors can focus on single issues and use hindsight, and in the end they're not held to account either.

[hwj-d]

I am curious how long my posting here is uncensored to be seen.

Oh so we are part of the conspiracy. Humor us clever dick, why would this be a big hoax. Go on, don't just post other people bull, tell us in your infinite wisdom, why?

Then stop the bullying.
The whole story around it is much too serious for that.
End of discussion!

In case you forgot. I am the one that get's to ban you when you have pissed me off enough, and if you think that proves your stupid little theories right then I'll tell you while i still have the chance that it does not!

@ hwj-d   please post the censored stuff again, but try tone it down a bit mate,
and put yourself in the Mods' shoes.. or flip flops ?   

Simon has enough corpotrolls, bs conspiracy clowns, and idiots from other electronics forums causing drama here to deal with already 

Yes, I understand that. And there has already been an announcement from me to Dave and Simon in which I have expressed understanding for the harmfulness of the forum, and I, for my part, have made some very favorable compromises here.

But there are a few things here for which I have no sympathy at all, and some forum participants come across granite in my place.

For example, when the possibility of a pluralistic exchange of opinions is led "ad hominem" by silly fascist attacks in order to disqualify counter-arguments from the outset. This reminds me more of sectarian behaviour, namely the exclusion of dissenters, with automatic self-affirmation through psychological group dynamic effects and hierarchies.

I have been an inhouse trainer and IT-Consultant long enough in my professional life to recognize when the parquet of good manners and togetherness is being abandoned.

I have a fundamentally different opinion on the lethality of this corona virus, and have many concrete examples and cinematic evidence that published film clips of the MSM are fake, and many large hospitals where corona patients claim overcrowding are actually empty.

It seems that some forum members can't deal with such information adequately, so that they feel compelled to react to it in an appropriately stupid and unflattering way.

Thanks for asking.

Edit: The two posts of mine, including the video, still exist. That's all there was.

[pipe2null]

Multiple accusations of US snatching mask shipments destined for other countries

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/id_87648648/coronavirus-pandemie-masken-beschlagnahmt-usa-reagiert-auf-vorwuerfe.html

America first, don´t you know ? 

We ARE #1 in the whole freakin world!  For confirmed cases.  And we are leaving y'all in the dust!   Based on numbers with a long tag time between exposure, testing, and eventual reporting, so things are already quite a bit worse.   But snatching other countries' critical supplies is messed up in really bad ways.

I like this one about Trump and Fox News, although I think the tone is a bit too understated for my taste:
https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/usa/id_87644726/corona-in-den-usa-wie-donald-trump-als-virus-bezwinger-dargestellt-wird.html

[Mr. Scram]

Criminal negligence, lies and a massive cover-up by the government...

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw-health-allowed-cruise-ship-passengers-to-disembark-despite-test-results-pending-20200403-p54gze.html

Jezus, we get it. Kangaroo goobermant bad.

[nctnico]

I have a fundamentally different opinion on the lethality of this corona virus, and have many concrete examples and cinematic evidence that published film clips of the MSM are fake, and many large hospitals where corona patients claim overcrowding are actually empty.

Well, first of all Germany isn't hit very hard yet and Germany seems to have an extreme ICU capacity. Secondly the video you linked to is from the US. The US is just starting to get hit by the Corona virus. The big storm is yet to come and what the 'critical thinking' video shows is that hospitals are getting prepared. Go and film the same spots in a couple of weeks; I'm sure they are crowded with patients. Over here in the NL the ICU capacity of the hospitals has been scaled up to maximum capacity but nobody is sure it is enough. Even with patients being moved across the country and some even to Germany. BTW numbers from the Netherlands show that only about 1 in 5 persons ending up in the ICU survives and 20% to 30% of the Corona deaths aren't counted in the official statistics.

Ofcourse you are entitled to your opinion but don't get fooled by people who serve carefully selected footage to paint a general picture showing nothing is going on. The world's economy hasn't been halted for a fire drill!

[mrflibble]

Multiple accusations of US snatching mask shipments destined for other countries

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/id_87648648/coronavirus-pandemie-masken-beschlagnahmt-usa-reagiert-auf-vorwuerfe.html

America first, don´t you know ? 

We ARE #1 in the whole freakin world!  For confirmed cases.  And we are leaving y'all in the dust!

Make America .. virulent again?

Well done I suppose!   

[hwj-d]

Here is another one, good analysis of that situation.

Also look a Amazing Pollys analysis of the WHO, Bill Gates Foundation, and "Event 2O1", to understand backgrounds of the pandemic situation!

Don't miss Amazing Poly's other Videos to this problems.

[nctnico]

Here is another one, good analysis of that situation.

No. A typical case of denial. In a couple of weeks you'll see a video of her crying because someone dear to her died due to Corona and then she feels quilty for downplaying the seriousness. Mark my words. My wife knows quite a lot of people and at least 2 have died due to Corona. These persons wheren't old (below 60) and likely more to follow.

[hwj-d]

I have a fundamentally different opinion on the lethality of this corona virus, and have many concrete examples and cinematic evidence that published film clips of the MSM are fake, and many large hospitals where corona patients claim overcrowding are actually empty.

Well, first of all Germany isn't hit very hard yet and Germany seems to have an extreme ICU capacity. Secondly the video you linked to is from the US. The US is just starting to get hit by the Corona virus. The big storm is yet to come and what the 'critical thinking' video shows is that hospitals are getting prepared. Go and film the same spots in a couple of weeks; I'm sure they are crowded with patients. Over here in the NL the ICU capacity of the hospitals has been scaled up to maximum capacity but nobody is sure it is enough. Even with patients being moved across the country and some even to Germany. BTW numbers from the Netherlands show that only about 1 in 5 persons ending up in the ICU survives and 20% to 30% of the Corona deaths aren't counted in the official statistics.

Ofcourse you are entitled to your opinion but don't get fooled by people who serve carefully selected footage to paint a general picture showing nothing is going on. The world's economy hasn't been halted for a fire drill!

Ok, that's a different tone, in a positive sense.
All I say is, we'll see.

The current numbers speak another language. Many highly respected scientists and doctors speak a different language. However, I only have this in German. My recommendation and request, therefore, is to look into the analysis of Amazing Polly. The German contributions I can deliver via PM, if desired. I have dealt with the problem for a long time, without having to fall for monocausalities now.

[hwj-d]

Here is another one, good analysis of that situation.

No. A typical case of denial. In a couple of weeks you'll see a video of her crying because someone dear to her died due to Corona and then she feels quilty for downplaying the seriousness. Mark my words. My wife knows quite a lot of people and at least 2 have died due to Corona. These persons wheren't old (below 60) and likely more to follow.

Your faith is sacred to me, of course. 

It's not about convincing anyone. You can only convince yourself.

I hope for all our sakes this thing has a happy ending for all of us. But I see also an agenda behind it, that many people seem to be unaware of.

[SiliconWizard]

I don't see how a personal experience should make a difference, however sad it is. It would sure bias your own perception of reality, but unfortunately, the severity of a pandemic is just judged by numbers... Hard facts.

Anyway.

I really have heard of mixed opinions from serious people in the medical field so far. I admit I absolutely don't know what to think at the moment. Not that it even makes a difference anyway, as we have no choice but follow the orders of our governments and be reasonably cautious otherwise.

Some specialists seem to think we are overreacting, some clearly state that we are not doing enough. In both camps, many are saying we aren't doing things right at the moment though, so there seems to be a small sad consensus on this, while we are pedalling to get it over with. It's also sad to see that we seem to kindly ignore what those that "succeeded" (relatively) did, and what they are currently suggesting us, while our figures keep growing despite the confinement.

One thing that is factually frightening about this virus is not necessarily the numbers in the end, but how the victims' life ends when they are the unlucky ones. Respiratory infections are always awful when they get bad, but this one can get REALLY bad - people basically end up "drowning" in their own fluids. Atrocious way of ending your life.

[pipe2null]

Multiple accusations of US snatching mask shipments destined for other countries

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/id_87648648/coronavirus-pandemie-masken-beschlagnahmt-usa-reagiert-auf-vorwuerfe.html

America first, don´t you know ? 

We ARE #1 in the whole freakin world!  For confirmed cases.  And we are leaving y'all in the dust! 

Make America .. virulent again?

Well done I suppose!   

Hah!  Yea, that's the kind of dark and sarcastic humor I was going for.  When thing are looking bleak, my humor tends to take a downward spiral.  Perhaps I should "socially distance" myself online too?!?  Eh...  Probably not...

[PlainName]

look into the analysis of Amazing Polly

Don't have time or the willpower to sit through multiple half-hour videos. If they have something important or useful to say then write it down. If they can't be arsed to do that, because videos are easy, it's not worth my time either.

Having got that out of the way, we need to be careful we don't confuse effect with cause. For instance, our privacy is being massively eroded in the name of tracing infections. On the one had that's a good use of information, but on the other it's a very slippery slope. At the end (if there is an end!) it's likely that most of these privacy invasions will have become the norm and will stick around. Some of these emergency laws won't be repealed, etc. All our governments have lots of form for doing that, but what they are doing is taking advantage of a situation. That is not just believable it's provable (at least, previous form is and why should this be different). But have the governments engineered the situation to allow them to bring in these laws? No, that's not very believable.

Similarly, I have no doubt that some psychopathic (or borderline - you really need to be that way to get on) politician will see the old and sick being decimated and mentally shrug, see the silver lining, so to speak. I really very much doubt that any of them would take whoever aside and whisper "Eh, could be a good time to not try too hard to save the old ones, you know." Your Polly would seem to go with the latter rather than the former, and I think most rational people would consider that an invalid interpretation for the USA.

[DrG]

[SiliconWizard]

For instance, our privacy is being massively eroded in the name of tracing infections. On the one had that's a good use of information, but on the other it's a very slippery slope. At the end (if there is an end!) it's likely that most of these privacy invasions will have become the norm and will stick around. Some of these emergency laws won't be repealed, etc. All our governments have lots of form for doing that, but what they are doing is taking advantage of a situation.

I mentioned my pessimistic fear of this in several posts, and I agree with you here. Some people (I don't blame them!) are trying to see the positive in all this and how it could change things for the better in the end - I unfortunately have little hope of that.

As I said earlier, just like what happened with our fight against terrorism, it's extremely likely that our privacy AND freedom are going to be severely eroded for quite a while (in the optimistic scenario), and possibly for a very long time otherwise.

[hwj-d]

I don't see how a personal experience should make a difference, however sad it is. It would sure bias your own perception of reality, but unfortunately, the severity of a pandemic is just judged by numbers... Hard facts.

Anyway.

I really have heard of mixed opinions from serious people in the medical field so far. I admit I absolutely don't know what to think at the moment. Not that it even makes a difference anyway, as we have no choice but follow the orders of our governments and be reasonably cautious otherwise.

Some specialists seem to think we are overreacting, some clearly state that we are not doing enough. In both camps, many are saying we aren't doing things right at the moment though, so there seems to be a small sad consensus on this, while we are pedalling to get it over with. It's also sad to see that we seem to kindly ignore what those that "succeeded" (relatively) did, and what they are currently suggesting us, while our figures keep growing despite the confinement.

One thing that is factually frightening about this virus is not necessarily the numbers in the end, but how the victims' life ends when they are the unlucky ones. Respiratory infections are always awful when they get bad, but this one can get REALLY bad - people basically end up "drowning" in their own fluids. Atrocious way of ending your life.

True words.

But it makes a difference to want to assess the fate of individuals, which you can't actually do especially if you are affected yourself, or have to analyse the facts of the pandemic.

Whoever interweaves these views with each other is unlikely to be able to cope with the analysis of the overall situation. As hard as this may sound for the individual, especially for those who seem to have a case in their family or circle of acquaintances.

[Cerebus]

Ofcourse you are entitled to your opinion but don't get fooled by people who serve carefully selected footage to paint a general picture showing nothing is going on. The world's economy hasn't been halted for a fire drill!

You're making a mistake in assuming that any rational argument is going to make a dent in the belief system of the committed conspiracy fan. That everybody in the world is hunkered down in their homes is, to them, evidence that they are right. Because that's what the government wants. To them this is evidence that the government have some nefarious plan that requires trashing the world's economy for god knows how many months. That this would require an effective conspiracy to be driving the actions all the governments in the world is, to them, entirely believable. To them Occam's Razor is something that the Men In Black use on your throat when you get too close to the government's secrets. You are dealing with people who do not and will not approach the subject with rational thinking and dealing with them on the basis that they will see sense is futile.

[hwj-d]

For instance, our privacy is being massively eroded in the name of tracing infections. On the one had that's a good use of information, but on the other it's a very slippery slope. At the end (if there is an end!) it's likely that most of these privacy invasions will have become the norm and will stick around. Some of these emergency laws won't be repealed, etc. All our governments have lots of form for doing that, but what they are doing is taking advantage of a situation.

I mentioned my pessimistic fear of this in several posts, and I agree with you here. Some people (I don't blame them!) are trying to see the positive in all this and how it could change things for the better in the end - I unfortunately have little hope of that.

As I said earlier, just like what happened with our fight against terrorism, it's extremely likely that our privacy AND freedom are going to be severely eroded for quite a while (in the optimistic scenario), and possibly for a very long time otherwise.

Where the likely possibility is, to push the whole pandemic hype even further.

[hwj-d]

Ofcourse you are entitled to your opinion but don't get fooled by people who serve carefully selected footage to paint a general picture showing nothing is going on. The world's economy hasn't been halted for a fire drill!

You're making a mistake in assuming that any rational argument is going to make a dent in the belief system of the committed conspiracy fan. That everybody in the world is hunkered down in their homes is, to them, evidence that they are right. Because that's what the government wants. To them this is evidence that the government have some nefarious plan that requires trashing the world's economy for god knows how many months. That this would require an effective conspiracy to be driving the actions all the governments in the world is, to them, entirely believable. To them Occam's Razor is something that the Men In Black use on your throat when you get too close to the government's secrets. You are dealing with people who do not and will not approach the subject with rational thinking and dealing with them on the basis that they will see sense is futile.

So much hate? God have mercy on your poor soul. 

[Nusa]

I'm having great difficulty distinguishing the trolls from the pot-stirrers, personally.

[hwj-d]

look into the analysis of Amazing Polly

Don't have time or the willpower to sit through multiple half-hour videos. If they have something important or useful to say then write it down. If they can't be arsed to do that, because videos are easy, it's not worth my time either.

...

Somewhat strange view of appreciating the effort of gathering information, don't you think? After all, all you have to do is listen to, and think about it.