crApple's disposable products

[T4P]

How do you know the quality of the glass is so poor?

Because it breaks so easily?
If you think gorilla glass wasn't around when the 4 came out ... NO it came out already
The gorilla glass that was made for apple ... is not the same gorilla glass on my HTC phone mine didn't break after a drop (10 drops nothing happened)

[free_electron]

made by monkeys ? ( although gorilla's are technically "ape's" )

[T4P]

made by monkeys ? ( although gorilla's are technically "ape's" )

I guess so, google it, corning made them glass in 1960's but it never took off

I'll just say apple got an inferior version of gorilla glass

[A Hellene]

How do you know the quality of the glass is so poor?

Maybe, bacause of the fact that it breaks more easily than it should?

And, as far as I know, this short-lived, expensive and fragile gadget does not require the demonstration of any short of Academic credentials in Strength of Materials Technology, in order to be purchased. After all, its target group is Average Joe...

"...and that iGadget of the monkeys, by the monkeys, for the monkeys, shall not perish from the earth."

There, I fixed it for you (skipping the "under god" part of the quotation for obvious reasons)!


-George

[free_electron]

"...and that iGadget of the monkeys, by the monkeys, for the monkeys, shall not perish from the earth."

There, I fixed it for you (skipping the "under god" part of the quotation for obvious reasons)!


-George

iphone was created, CREATED , by men and is EVOLVING. -GASP-... that'll have their little brains in a knot ... although i wouldn;t call it 'intelligent design'... more a marketing ploy...

[A Hellene]

That's right. A marketing ploy; a new religion...

Well, that hardly helps, does it? That is the Kafkaesque genius of it: Once a religion is conceived, created and established, there is nothing any sane man can do about it...


-George

[timelessbeing]

I think you guys are kind of missing the point. When the wifi antenna on my laptop died, I was able to prolong its life by replacing it for a few bucks. Apple is going out of their way to make it harder for you to replace the glass, battery etc. yourself. The cost for "authorized service" of a consumable part is very prohibitive. Likely Apple replaces the entire assembly, if not the whole device, instead of just the necessary part anyway, so again more waste is produced. The bottom line is that they are accelerating obsolescence, and actively encouraging more consumption. Recycling is all fine and nice, but the owner already went and bought another computer and advanced the cycle. Goodwill isn't going to pay the $200 to replace a battery. I don't think this is what the public really want, but the manufacturers lure us in with thin profiles and shiny screens.

[SgtRock]

Dear Timelessbeing:

--Your point is well taken. It is going to be very hard in the future to recycle Apple products except by chipper. Remember Apple was founded by an avaricious anarchic hippie genius, who had very little patience with the grouldlings. For anyone to say that Apples is just doing things this way because that is the best way to to them, as opposed to the profit motive, is delusional, in my opinion. Apple is heading for the old AT&T, Bell Telephone monopoly model, where you pay through the nose to rent equipment, which you may not alter in any way. I remember when people had to pay nine cents a month for a light on the Princess Phone, a real status item.

--Indeed, Jobs and Apple have charted a very sagacious course through the rocks, in finding a customer base composed of 1) people who just want to get on with it, and not get bogged down in all the computer minutiae, and endless choices, and 2) People who see computers as fashion accessories and conform to Veblen's "conspicuous consumption", or snob factor.

"All business sagacity reduces itself in the last analysis to judicious use of sabotage."
Thorstein Bunde Veblen 1857 - 1929

Best Regards
Clear Ether

[timelessbeing]

--Indeed, Jobs and Apple have charted a very sagacious course through the rocks, in finding a customer base composed of 1) people who just want to get on with it, and not get bogged down in all the computer minutiae, and endless choices

That's not entirely true. For example, I remember using the PowerMac G3s in high school. It was designed so that with a pull of a latch, the side swung down and you had easy access to all the innards, while the computer was running!

I'm not sure if the current desktops still do this, but I heard a rumour that Apple was discontinuing the PowerMacs in favour of the (less accessible) iMac. My point is, Apple chooses to make the Macbook, iPad, iPhone etc. the way they do. In my experience, people will buy whatever is offered to them and then they adjust to it (and sometimes defend it). Apple are trend setters. They don't find a market ... they shape it.

I actually prefer MacOS to Windows, but now that crApple has increased prices and uses these greedy self-preservation tactics, I won't be buying their products. Maybe the recent iToys are a sign of a new post-Jobs era for Apple.

[Mechatrommer]

If we have to throw things out eventually they should be recycled in an environmentaly friendly way so that precious raw materials get recovered. I'm not convinced that is what happens at the moment, though.

theory (or politically motivated theories) sometime doesnt work in reality (based on comments of previous posters) and creates more harm than good. so, sometime a stupidiest idea you need to take into consideration, because sometime the so thought "brilliant" idea gave bad results.

Personally I also believe avoiding rubbish in the firt place is the best solution

so you are the one man suitable to make a campaign. how about those youngs who keep upgrading and throwing stuffs out? and comparing their gadgetry side by side to compare who got the latest one? i believe they outnumber us (you) the awareness people. the best thing to avoid rubbish is dont use anything, back in the cave.

When it comes to PC's everything I have I've got for free or second hand for very little money, the only exception being hard drives. There are so many people who feel the need to upgrade their stuff every 1-2 years, there's really very little need to buy new hardware.

i happen to know "many" people who would go "buy new computer" just because they cannot make their printer working, or slow performing windows (highly due to fragmented installs/uninstalls) virus, not enough ram etc. you want to impose awareness? you teach them science and electronics, making circuit and soldering, thats how. making any "easily fixable" device will not make any difference to them, if its broke, there goes to the bin. i struggled (softly) with one good man because we discovered at the same time a very good looking printer in a big trash, i let him have it

[jerry507]

While there are certainly times when they've made decisions almost certainly targeted at forcing consumers into the store (glued in battery, though I'm not entirely sure this isn't more trouble than it's worth for them), others are clearly efforts at getting a certain formfactor. The screen would be thicker if they made it with replaceable panels, there is no doubt. It's just a consequence of engineering.

Also, the point of my question about the glass was HOW do you know it's inferior quality glass? You've essentially just stated it breaks after 10 drops, with no support. With the same level of confidence I can tell you that I've dropped my iPhone 4 waaay more than 10 times (my daughter has dropped it twice in the last week alone!). I dropped it once (with no cover) onto a piece of cleated metal from 4 feet, and then it bounced and fell another 4-5 feet out of the cab of the machine I was in onto the ground. I got a scratch on the back.

I have no idea if the glass is quality or not, nor an example to even compare it to. Frankly I don't see any evidence you have any better understanding on the subject of glass quality than I do. At that point it's just slinging words and nothing more.

[tjb1]

made by monkeys ? ( although gorilla's are technically "ape's" )

I guess so, google it, corning made them glass in 1960's but it never took off

I'll just say apple got an inferior version of gorilla glass

So how many Android phones have a glass screen?  How many Apple phones are out and in use?  And its glass, its going to break.  Its a phone, not a hammer...treat it as such and you wont have a problem.  Since you seem to be such a glass specialist you should know that all glass isnt the same, they can have imperfections.  You should also realize you can try a piece of glass 500 times the same way and the 501 time it will break and take another piece and it will break on the 3rd try.  Seems like all you do is blindly go after Apple. 

I have a Macbook Pro and since you appear to know nothing about Apple products besides what you read I will tell you this.  10 screws, the bottom panel comes off and I have access to EVERYTHING...the hard drive, ram, fans, disc drive, cpu, motherboard, wireless cards.  Tell me how many PC laptops you can access everything with 10 screws.  If you also read some more than the blind Apple hate you would know why it isnt *replaceable* in the fact that it latches in and out, they gain around 30% more battery capacity by not having it in a separate unit that is removable.  But like I said earlier, 10 screws and you have access to the battery.  Another 3 and you can pop it out.  Go to iFixit or eBay and you can grab a new battery.  And tell me how many PC laptops get 7-8 hours run time...

You hate on Apple but I can say a lot about the shit Android system...its no wonder the only reason people develop for it is because its cheap.  Always 5-6 different versions in use at one time spread across a ton of different devices that have different resolutions and capabilities with only a handful of the phones actually getting upgraded to the latest version in their lifetime.  My iPhone is about to hit its 3rd operating system upgrade, how many Androids even get upgraded once?  How many apps on "Google Play" will work on every Android device?

Before you go throwing your blind hate around, take some time to learn something.  There is a reason Apple is one of the most valuable companies.  Ever look at the tablet scene?  Amazing how Apple can sell a $500 tablet like candy but HP couldnt sell one until they were taking a major loss on it.  You think your opinions are "correct" but looking at the numbers, you are the minority.

[Pentium100]

While there are certainly times when they've made decisions almost certainly targeted at forcing consumers into the store (glued in battery, though I'm not entirely sure this isn't more trouble than it's worth for them), others are clearly efforts at getting a certain formfactor. The screen would be thicker if they made it with replaceable panels, there is no doubt. It's just a consequence of engineering.

I agree with this part, though I prefer a slightly bigger device that has replaceable parts. I do not like the laptop batteries - most laptops use standard cells, but if the battery goes bad you have to buy a new one and pay a lot more than what the cells cost. So when the battery of my laptop went bad, I did not replace it, when I need to use the laptop without mains power, I just use a 12V 7Ah lead-acid battery and a 12V->19V DC-DC converter. Some manufacturers make the power supplies "smart" so you can't use a standard one.

When I can get away with it, I prefer to use older devices, they are easier to repair (without expensive tools) and usually more durable too. I also tend to use devices for a long time before replacing them - my current phone, Nokia N93, is 6 years old and I still use it. My opinion is that if I buy something that is going to last a long time I save more money in the long run, even if I pay more up front (I paid a lot for that N93, but currently there are very few new phones that would suit me (smartphone with a big keypad)).

[Uncle Vernon]

Before you go throwing your blind hate around

Thus spaketh another of an endless stream of whiney fanboys.  FFS get thy self a hobby!

[Mechatrommer]

10 screws, the bottom panel comes off and I have access to EVERYTHING

10 screws at the "bottom"? i have to shut down my PC if its on the bottom. well, tell you this. i have this unhunglow casing. my mod, only reach hand to the back, 1 screw, it open up from the side, i got everything... Intel inside, vertically socketed RAM, HDD's everything, Windows XP inside ohh. laptop? i got this, Gigabyte Crap touch screen. less than 10 i counted last time iirc.

...its no wonder the only reason people develop for it is because its cheap

and thats good! you prefer the expensive?

how many Androids even get upgraded once?

i have this a friend, told me he upgraded his android to the latest already, by the net. whatever that means.

How many apps on "Google Play" will work on every Android device?

most people occupied their time by playing. i did install MechWarrior (3D game) into my nokia and all sort when i first bought it. now its nothing, just my own java developed app for calculating debt and interest. bwhaha. and built in simple calc is mostly in use. not even the camera get regular touch... crappy!

You think your opinions are "correct" but looking at the numbers, you are the minority.

count us in. the neighbooring country... Apple are minority.

[A Hellene]

This is a classic, for the older to remember and the younger to learn:


A $1000 iPhone application: A red static icon with a catchy caption for the Apple addicts who could afford to throw $1000 away to show off their overpriced DRM'ed Status symbols...

iPhone users can buy themselves a picture of a red gem to display on their handsets, purely to demonstrate they've got enough money to throw $999.99 at such a pointless gesture.

The application - subtly entitled "I am rich" - was available through Apple's Application Store. When run "I Am Rich" simply displays a red gem and accompanying glow, letting the world know that the owner has more money than sense - though some would argue that ownership of an iPhone already denotes that to some degree.
[...]

Source: Too much money? Bling your iPhone with the $1000 app

An American man has accidentally spent $999.99 on an iPhone app that does nothing but display a glowing red ruby.

Dubbed "I Am Rich," the app is meant as a status symbol for the wealthy. But in reality, it's a scarlet letter for the gullible.

As reported by our friends at Valleywag, a Jesus Phone user known only as Lee5279xx spilled $1,000 on some red pixels because he was addled enough to think Steve Jobs has a sense of humor.
[...]

Source: Man buys $1,000 worth of iPhone pixels by accident

Where is that Darwin emoticon?


-George

[AntiProtonBoy]

LOL. Why didn't I think of that?

Good way to earn cash for a new multimeter...

[T4P]

So how many Android phones have a glass screen?  How many Apple phones are out and in use?  And its glass, its going to break.  Its a phone, not a hammer...treat it as such and you wont have a problem.  Since you seem to be such a glass specialist you should know that all glass isnt the same, they can have imperfections.  You should also realize you can try a piece of glass 500 times the same way and the 501 time it will break and take another piece and it will break on the 3rd try.  Seems like all you do is blindly go after Apple. 

I have a Macbook Pro and since you appear to know nothing about Apple products besides what you read I will tell you this.  10 screws, the bottom panel comes off and I have access to EVERYTHING...the hard drive, ram, fans, disc drive, cpu, motherboard, wireless cards.  Tell me how many PC laptops you can access everything with 10 screws.  If you also read some more than the blind Apple hate you would know why it isnt *replaceable* in the fact that it latches in and out, they gain around 30% more battery capacity by not having it in a separate unit that is removable.  But like I said earlier, 10 screws and you have access to the battery.  Another 3 and you can pop it out.  Go to iFixit or eBay and you can grab a new battery.  And tell me how many PC laptops get 7-8 hours run time...

You hate on Apple but I can say a lot about the shit Android system...its no wonder the only reason people develop for it is because its cheap.  Always 5-6 different versions in use at one time spread across a ton of different devices that have different resolutions and capabilities with only a handful of the phones actually getting upgraded to the latest version in their lifetime.  My iPhone is about to hit its 3rd operating system upgrade, how many Androids even get upgraded once?  How many apps on "Google Play" will work on every Android device?

Before you go throwing your blind hate around, take some time to learn something.  There is a reason Apple is one of the most valuable companies.  Ever look at the tablet scene?  Amazing how Apple can sell a $500 tablet like candy but HP couldnt sell one until they were taking a major loss on it.  You think your opinions are "correct" but looking at the numbers, you are the minority.

Wrong. The kindle fire sold like hotcakes
You are another crApple Evangelist
1)Most android phones even far from apple's price point like the Optimus 3D has Gorilla Glass
2)All HTC's now even the One V has Gorilla Glass
3)1.5 is too old, move on. Most of the models have got an upgrade from 1.6 to 2.1 then to 2.2/2.3
4)MY phone started out at 2.2 then got an upgrade to 2.3 then i too got an upgrade to 4.0
5)YOU know nothing about laptops, i only need 6 screws to open up the entire thing
6)1 screw and i can access the RAM
7)2 screws for the harddisk
8)2 screws for the fan
9)2 screws for the disk drive
10)1 screw for the wifi card
And those are individual bays, but come off together as a whole piece using the outer 6 screws
11)7-8 hours? With an extended battery? That's what apple uses, A EXTENDED BATTERY! I CAN LAST 10 HOURS ON THAT BATTERY
12)I had a long chat with a technician working at a glass manufacturer, most glass turn out the same for 3 inchers to 5 inchers
Unless you talk about your glass pane you idiot
13) There are only a few resolutions dickhead, 480x320 ( low-end ) , 800 x 480 and lastly 960 x 640
And don't start a resolution war about the Pad3, it's the worst abomination ever to come out, people who buy it themselves are abominations

Blind hate? I watched the whole industry for 10 years since i was 8 so you better not think i'm a "newbie"
Give me a reason why iPhones always HANG for no apparent reason and how the iPad 3 can reach searing temperatures

Conclusion?

[AntiProtonBoy]

Is the vitriol necessary?

[tjb1]

So how many Android phones have a glass screen?  How many Apple phones are out and in use?  And its glass, its going to break.  Its a phone, not a hammer...treat it as such and you wont have a problem.  Since you seem to be such a glass specialist you should know that all glass isnt the same, they can have imperfections.  You should also realize you can try a piece of glass 500 times the same way and the 501 time it will break and take another piece and it will break on the 3rd try.  Seems like all you do is blindly go after Apple. 

I have a Macbook Pro and since you appear to know nothing about Apple products besides what you read I will tell you this.  10 screws, the bottom panel comes off and I have access to EVERYTHING...the hard drive, ram, fans, disc drive, cpu, motherboard, wireless cards.  Tell me how many PC laptops you can access everything with 10 screws.  If you also read some more than the blind Apple hate you would know why it isnt *replaceable* in the fact that it latches in and out, they gain around 30% more battery capacity by not having it in a separate unit that is removable.  But like I said earlier, 10 screws and you have access to the battery.  Another 3 and you can pop it out.  Go to iFixit or eBay and you can grab a new battery.  And tell me how many PC laptops get 7-8 hours run time...

You hate on Apple but I can say a lot about the shit Android system...its no wonder the only reason people develop for it is because its cheap.  Always 5-6 different versions in use at one time spread across a ton of different devices that have different resolutions and capabilities with only a handful of the phones actually getting upgraded to the latest version in their lifetime.  My iPhone is about to hit its 3rd operating system upgrade, how many Androids even get upgraded once?  How many apps on "Google Play" will work on every Android device?

Before you go throwing your blind hate around, take some time to learn something.  There is a reason Apple is one of the most valuable companies.  Ever look at the tablet scene?  Amazing how Apple can sell a $500 tablet like candy but HP couldnt sell one until they were taking a major loss on it.  You think your opinions are "correct" but looking at the numbers, you are the minority.

Wrong. The kindle fire sold like hotcakes
You are another crApple Evangelist
1)Most android phones even far from apple's price point like the Optimus 3D has Gorilla Glass
2)All HTC's now even the One V has Gorilla Glass
3)1.5 is too old, move on. Most of the models have got an upgrade from 1.6 to 2.1 then to 2.2/2.3
4)MY phone started out at 2.2 then got an upgrade to 2.3 then i too got an upgrade to 4.0
5)YOU know nothing about laptops, i only need 6 screws to open up the entire thing
6)1 screw and i can access the RAM
7)2 screws for the harddisk
8)2 screws for the fan
9)2 screws for the disk drive
10)1 screw for the wifi card
And those are individual bays, but come off together as a whole piece using the outer 6 screws
11)7-8 hours? With an extended battery? That's what apple uses, A EXTENDED BATTERY! I CAN LAST 10 HOURS ON THAT BATTERY
12)I had a long chat with a technician working at a glass manufacturer, most glass turn out the same for 3 inchers to 5 inchers
Unless you talk about your glass pane you idiot
13) There are only a few resolutions dickhead, 480x320 ( low-end ) , 800 x 480 and lastly 960 x 640
And don't start a resolution war about the Pad3, it's the worst abomination ever to come out, people who buy it themselves are abominations

Blind hate? I watched the whole industry for 10 years since i was 8 so you better not think i'm a "newbie"
Give me a reason why iPhones always HANG for no apparent reason and how the iPad 3 can reach searing temperatures

Conclusion?

Ohh name calling, well you are obviously right.

[A Hellene]

I stand speechless! I was not aware that the fool-trap above, made it to the pages of Wikipedia!

For anyone who feels disappointed to miss that rare opportunity of acquiring such a treasure, here is the "LE" version of the original deal from Armin Heinrich himself again (who does not seem to be quitting so easily exploiting his simple-minded fellow people), for USD 9.99 only! This iPhone application is even available in Japanese for JPY 68.00 (= USD 0.85) only!

It is moments like this when someone begins to wonder, why keep on trying to protect the "innocent" (and, yes, this term is a freaking euphemism) and not just join the endless line of those who try to exploit them in any conceivable way? After all, you will make them happy to make them sign up for yet another painful loan in order to purchase your shiny garbage... But, then again, if I did not let the Devil/Satan whisper in my ear during my very early life, why should I do it now, in my mid-forties?

Please, do not blame me! It was Google's fault to keep on feeding my searches with such hyperlinks!


-George

[saturation]

..  an electronic version of a diamond ring, and all that is stands for.  Impractical as made, easily copied with cubic zirconia, yet the idea of paying top dollar for a "useless" item and to be able to show it to friends to get status to show they have money to burn; I guess status and societal affirmation becomes its use.

At least you didn't see that item in the PC or Android market under the same pretense!

The 'cubic zirconia' version

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=simp.IAm.Rich&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsInNpbXAuSUFtLlJpY2giXQ..

I stand speechless! I was not aware that the fool-trap above, made it to the pages of Wikipedia!

For anyone who feels disappointed to miss that rare opportunity of acquiring such a treasure, here is the "LE" version of the original deal from Armin Heinrich himself again (who does not seem to be quitting so easily exploiting his simple-minded fellow people), for USD 9.99 only! This iPhone application is even available in Japanese for JPY 68.00 (= USD 0.85) only!

It is moments like this when someone begins to wonder, why keep on trying to protect the "innocent" (and, yes, this term is a freaking euphemism) and not just join the endless line of those who try to exploit them in any conceivable way?
-George

[Mechatrommer]

that point is the worst case. and sad one unlucky guy click that by accident, a victim of "automation technology". thats plain and clear useless only a dick will purposely click the buy button. but leave that alone, just think how many people just buy the phone for luxury (show off) purpose, scratch one bit they will resell or just simply throw it away, not even after its working life or warranty service. this kind of attitude what shape how companies do their business, esp in luxurious and aesthetical area (gender: lifestyle!). recycling is out of question, nobody cares. only for the poor who will more than happy to be handed down.

[T4P]

that point is the worst case. and sad one unlucky guy click that by accident, a victim of "automation technology". thats plain and clear useless only a dick will purposely click the buy button. but leave that alone, just think how many people just buy the phone for luxury (show off) purpose, scratch one bit they will resell or just simply throw it away, not even after its working life or warranty service. this kind of attitude what shape how companies do their business, esp in luxurious and aesthetical area (gender: lifestyle!). recycling is out of question, nobody cares. only for the poor who will more than happy to be handed down.

That was what i was trying to get across : Once you own a iDevice this is the sort of person you are automatically grouped into or ARE!

1 dickhead of a friend i have kept thinking that android is a POS, NO! He owns a POS android phone that costs 0$ and didn't even look at the bright side of android devices that cost nowhere near as a iDevice and is every bit better

[jerry507]

That was what i was trying to get across : Once you own a iDevice this is the sort of person you are automatically grouped into or ARE!

1 dickhead of a friend i have kept thinking that android is a POS, NO! He owns a POS android phone that costs 0$ and didn't even look at the bright side of android devices that cost nowhere near as a iDevice and is every bit better

This is the same quality and quantity of information contained in all this other posts: absolutely none. Most of the numbered items on his list are absolutely random (he never even bothers to say WHAT laptop he's talking about), apparently all laptops have the same number of screws unless it's an Apple laptop. As for his ridiculous "evidence" to counter what tjb1 said about Android OS distribution, I seriously wonder how tuned in he even is to technology. It's VERY VERY widely known and been shown by data collected that 2.2 or 2.3 are over half of the installed base of Android. Despite what DaveXRQ's phone got, MOST android phones will never get an upgrade to 4.0. How does he not already know this?