Angry at Free Energy YouTubers...

[Michaela Joy]

Let's not forget Fleischmann and Pons, whose work was ridiculed because it didn't follow the party lines. When tritium was finally discovered in their experiments, they were vindicated.

I'm not saying that the "free energy" people are right, nor am I saying that they're all wrong; As scientists and engineers, it's up to us to either prove or disprove their work. If we can disprove it, using all of the scientific tools at hand, then we can eliminate the charlatans, one by one.

However: If we find a single shred of truth in what they're doing, it behooves us as scientists and engineers to look further, and, if possible, provide working theorem as to the validity of their experiments.

It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.

:MJ

[timb]

it's a gradual progression.... Same with evolution.  There is no half man-half monkey.  There is no animal whose parents were monkeys but it is a man.  It is a gradual progression only visible when you see the gradual changed that have taken place over a long period of time...

you dont understand what i'm saying. i know its a gradual progression happening in billion years time.... what i'm saying is... this can be long but bear with me please....

1 billion years ago there were monkeys, lets call them monkeys A. and then 500 millions ago there were another group of monkeys, let call them monkeys B. and then now in present time we still have monkeys, not A and not B, but new generation of monkeys of today, let call the monkeys of today monkeys C. now we have 3 groups of monkeys in the span of a very long time... monkeys A, they have offsprings, also monkeys ofcourse by that time, but when it goes down the line grand grand grand childrens, in 500 millions years time those offsprings have evolved to half-monkeys, that time they meet the generation monkeys B, offcourse no questioning during that time because they are just a bunch of monkeys and half-breeded monkeys, they dont know anything yet, (metacongnitively)...

go back to the future a bit, to present time we have monkeys C remember? this is going to be short story because... we'll never have the chance to see their grand grand grand 1000X grand childrens to become a man because that needs 1 billion years to come in the future... agreed? we all should, because this is the evolution theory tells us... now we ended the discussion of monkeys C. lets go back to the past 500 millions years ago....

500 millions years ago, we have a bunch of half-breeded monkeys descendant from monkeys A, mixed with a bunch of later group monkeys B remember? now the half-breeded monkeys from the past generation of monkeys A breeded again and have grand grand 1000X grand children in the next 500 millions years, that is today. but now the grand-grand childrens have evolved to fully human, thats us! we are the descendant of monkeys A, right? ok... go back again 500 millions years ago to monkeys B.

monkeys B breeded they got grand grand 1000X grand childrens and have evolved to half-breeded monkeys half-monkey half-man, in 500 millions year time. thats today remember? the 100 millions dollar question is..... where is the half-breeded man-monkey of today? that is the offsprings of grand grand 1000X grand fathers and mothers of group monkeys B of 500 millions years ago? evolution theory doesnt explain that, it only explain the progression of it in 1 billion years time.. so can you find me an alive half breeded monkey half breeded man?

Holy shit... I... What...?!


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[Mechatrommer]

Holy shit... I... What...?!

yes thats right! you are a monkey, by evolusionist definition take it with grain and salt..

[xrunner]

yes thats right! you are a monkey, by evolusionist definition take it with grain and salt..

Wrong. Humans are Homo Sapiens. Monkeys are a completely different species. 

[rolycat]

you dont understand what i'm saying. i know its a gradual progression happening in billion years time.... what i'm saying is... this can be long but bear with me please....

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Holy shit... I... What...?!

It appears that evolution as it applies to human beings is excluded from the Malaysian school curriculum, so it is perhaps not surprising that Mecha's ideas about it are a little ...confused.

Once his misconceptions are translated into his special brand of fractured English, we end up with this surreal horsepucky.

[suicidaleggroll]

it's a gradual progression.... Same with evolution.  There is no half man-half monkey.  There is no animal whose parents were monkeys but it is a man.  It is a gradual progression only visible when you see the gradual changed that have taken place over a long period of time...

you dont understand what i'm saying. i know its a gradual progression happening in billion years time.... what i'm saying is... this can be long but bear with me please....

1 billion years ago there were monkeys, lets call them monkeys A. and then 500 millions ago there were another group of monkeys, let call them monkeys B. and then now in present time we still have monkeys, not A and not B, but new generation of monkeys of today, let call the monkeys of today monkeys C. now we have 3 groups of monkeys in the span of a very long time... monkeys A, they have offsprings, also monkeys ofcourse by that time, but when it goes down the line grand grand grand childrens, in 500 millions years time those offsprings have evolved to half-monkeys, that time they meet the generation monkeys B, offcourse no questioning during that time because they are just a bunch of monkeys and half-breeded monkeys, they dont know anything yet, (metacongnitively)...

go back to the future a bit, to present time we have monkeys C remember? this is going to be short story because... we'll never have the chance to see their grand grand grand 1000X grand childrens to become a man because that needs 1 billion years to come in the future... agreed? we all should, because this is the evolution theory tells us... now we ended the discussion of monkeys C. lets go back to the past 500 millions years ago....

500 millions years ago, we have a bunch of half-breeded monkeys descendant from monkeys A, mixed with a bunch of later group monkeys B remember? now the half-breeded monkeys from the past generation of monkeys A breeded again and have grand grand 1000X grand children in the next 500 millions years, that is today. but now the grand-grand childrens have evolved to fully human, thats us! we are the descendant of monkeys A, right? ok... go back again 500 millions years ago to monkeys B.

monkeys B breeded they got grand grand 1000X grand childrens and have evolved to half-breeded monkeys half-monkey half-man, in 500 millions year time. thats today remember? the 100 millions dollar question is..... where is the half-breeded man-monkey of today? that is the offsprings of grand grand 1000X grand fathers and mothers of group monkeys B of 500 millions years ago? evolution theory doesnt explain that, it only explain the progression of it in 1 billion years time.. so can you find me an alive half breeded monkey half breeded man?

Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, which is why there is no half human half monkey.  Humans and apes both evolved from a common ancestor.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/cat02.html

[Mechatrommer]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/cat02.html

ok, since a nitpick accuracy is what you are looking for.... yes you are right! you are a "chimpanzee" by evolusionist definition.... now change all "monkeys" in my explanation to "chimpanzees" please? edit: and err, chimpanzees do exist today right? embrace your ancestors like father and son. still, please do find me an "ape" or half breeded chimpanzee half breeded man. or half breeded chimp half breeded gorilla, or anything in between, for that matter. a chimp wont suddenly breed a gorilla looking right? are they? so there must be sometime in the timeline we have half chimp half gorilla. and we should can line them up just as the evolution picture, because all of "us" are happening in parallel, throughout timeline.

Once his misconceptions are translated into his special brand of fractured English, we end up with this surreal horsepucky.

an escaping word as an excuse for the inability to answer. not accepted.

[rolycat]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/cat02.html

ok, since a nitpick accuracy is what you are looking for.... yes you are right! you are a "chimpanzee" by evolusionist definition.... now change all "monkeys" in my explanation to "chimpanzees" please? edit: and err, chimpanzees do exist today right? embrace your ancestors like father and son 

That article does not say that humans evolved from chimpanzees. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

And there is no such word in modern science as evolusionist, or even evolutionist. People who accept evolution are called 'scientists', or 'rational human beings'.

[xrunner]

... embrace your ancestors like father and son. still, please do find me an "ape" or half breeded chimpanzee half breeded man. or half breeded chimp half breeded gorilla, or anything in between, for that matter. a chimp wont suddenly breed a gorilla looking right? are they? so there must be sometime in the timeline we have half chimp half gorilla. and we should can line them up just as the evolution picture, because all of "us" are happening in parallel, throughout timeline.

You have no idea what you are talking about. I'd suggest stopping before you embarrass yourself further in front of the entire internet.

[Mechatrommer]

is this imagery a fraud?

[Mechatrommer]

It appears that evolution as it applies to human beings is excluded from the Malaysian school curriculum, so it is perhaps not surprising that Mecha's ideas about it are a little ...confused.

right! i think the same to those commenters about some err,, "religion". i mean religion study is excluded from their curriculum, (if i have to say it long beacuse my english is confusing...)

[rolycat]

is this imagery a fraud?

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No, it's an illustration from an article about potato chips. Do try to keep up.

[c4757p]

It appears that evolution as it applies to human beings is excluded from the Malaysian school curriculum, so it is perhaps not surprising that Mecha's ideas about it are a little ...confused.

right! i think the same to those commenters about some err,, "religion". i mean religion study is excluded from their curriculum, (if i have to say it long beacuse my english is confusing...)

But it's perfectly reasonable to think that the entire concept of believing things entirely on faith is silly without knowing or caring what those things are. It doesn't matter what those things are. I don't give a damn what the world's various religions think, they're still wrong because they're wrong about why they think those things. If any of them are correct, it's entirely by coincidence, because they don't know how to be right.

Also, religion is boring. $DEADDUDE is afraid of $SIN and thinks $DEITY will punish him for it by $ETERNALTORMENT. $BULLSHIT is the meaning of life, and we do $ATROCITY to people who don't agree with us. Be nice, except for to $RACE. Don't eat $ANIMAL, $PLANT and $PIEFLAVOR except during $MOONPHASE while standing on $SIDE foot and singing $SONG. Up for a game of Mad Libs?

[Muttley Snickers]

No, it's an illustration from an article about potato chips. Do try to keep up.

The image also goes to show that some human's are wanker's.

Now back off topic, what was Shahriar doing watching Youtube video's anyway, half of the civilised planet is eagerly awaiting his review of the Siglent SDM-3055 meter.

Muttley

[xrunner]

i mean religion study is excluded from their curriculum, (if i have to say it long beacuse my english is confusing...)

I haven't read any Harry Potter books. If I started reading all of them and studying them so I was an expert on Harry Potter, would that mean there was any sliver of reality to the Harry Potter stories?

No.

Studying a subject does not make the subject "real". It only makes you an expert on the material, and if the material is fiction, then you are an expert on the fiction. Does studying a subject make it real? No, that's a logical fallacy.

[timb]

Another point, for every "miracle" of an intelligent designer (humming bird wings) I can give a counterpoint of something poorly designed. Human childbirth springs to mind.

The fact the baby has to come out in a specific direction and its head deforms all while causing excruciating pain to the mother, is a pretty poor design.

Chimps have it much easier due to a larger pelvis and birth canal.

Species that lay eggs have it even easier.

Our non-redundant blood pump is also a huge issue. (I'd trade an extra testicle for an extra heart. Though that does prove natural selection's affinity for creating offspring over other priorities.)


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[smjcuk]

The fact the baby has to come out in a specific direction and its head deforms all while causing excruciating pain to the mother, is a pretty poor design.

If that even works. My wife has had 3 last minute emergency caesarian sections...

[janaf]

I don't know where the 230% efficiency number of LEDs come from. But it surely must have been something like 230% compared to some other lamps.

No, it's real. Power input, 30 picowatts. Light output, 69 picowatts.

The catch is that the 230% only refers to electrical efficiency - it makes up the difference by extracting heat from its surroundings. Modern air conditioners are also frequently over 100% efficient in that sense, of course.

I don't know where the 230% efficiency number of LEDs come from. But it surely must have been something like 230% compared to some other lamps.

No, it's real. Power input, 30 picowatts. Light output, 69 picowatts.

The catch is that the 230% only refers to electrical efficiency - it makes up the difference by extracting heat from its surroundings. Modern air conditioners are also frequently over 100% efficient in that sense, of course.

Thanks for the link.

OK, in that case I kind of stand corrected, but not. With thermal energy in the balance, of course, the efficiency is totally different. Even a Peltier element, known for it's lousy efficiency, would have > 100% efficiency: it outputs more heat than the electric energy you put in.

Take thermal, electrical, chemical, nuclear etc...energy in the balance, the efficiency is always 100%. What you put in comes out, perhaps in another form.

But the LED thingy is new to me. Confirmed by others than the original developers? The solution to global warming; cool the air, beam out the energy in space 

To have progress, there must be some people questioning "known" truths, but challenging the very fundamentals, requires more than tinkering in the garage. The fundamental laws of science don't just stand on their own. They are confirmed by thermodynamics, physics, chemistry, astronomy, physical chemistry etc but from different approaches. To break one, you have to break all. The tin-hats tend to see that as a global conspiracy from traditional science against new ideas.

[Zero999]

The LED doesn't not produce any extra energy. The tiny bit of extra light comes from thermal energy and there must be a temperature differential for this to happen, so as not to break the second law of thermodynamics.

[dexters_lab]

Don't worry, they'll all continue to pay for electricity and phones and computers and gadgets and all the working innovations the "real science" people create

It is frustrating to see this because I feel like there is a "wave" of pseudoscience masquerading as real science.

i know, it boils my piss too, i saw this the other day... some crackpot who thinks the LHC is going to destroy the world, with 118K subscribers

[HighVoltage]

Having 118K subscribers
There are some weirder channels with even more subscribers.
It seems these people are hoping for something that is not there in reality

[timb]

Don't worry, they'll all continue to pay for electricity and phones and computers and gadgets and all the working innovations the "real science" people create

It is frustrating to see this because I feel like there is a "wave" of pseudoscience masquerading as real science.

i know, it boils my piss too, i saw this the other day... some crackpot who thinks the LHC is going to destroy the world, with 118K subscribers

THE LARGE HARDON COLLIDER IS DESTROYING OUR SHIELDS!

"NCC-Earth is being bombarded by Cernon dark energy beams! We need to divert all non-critical power to forward magnetometer shields immediately!!!!1111one" -YouTuber




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[timb]

The fact the baby has to come out in a specific direction and its head deforms all while causing excruciating pain to the mother, is a pretty poor design.

If that even works. My wife has had 3 last minute emergency caesarian sections...

A very good point. I don't think people realize how dangerous childbirth used to be. I read something that claimed there was close to a 50% mortality rate for mothers at one point in history. It was even worse for the babies.

This was at a time when the only effective contraception was the intestines from sheep. (The alternative was using honey as a spermicide. Think about that for a minute.)


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[iampoor]

Another point, for every "miracle" of an intelligent designer (humming bird wings) I can give a counterpoint of something poorly designed. Human childbirth springs to mind.

The fact the baby has to come out in a specific direction and its head deforms all while causing excruciating pain to the mother, is a pretty poor design.

Chimps have it much easier due to a larger pelvis and birth canal.

Species that lay eggs have it even easier.

Our non-redundant blood pump is also a huge issue. (I'd trade an extra testicle for an extra heart. Though that does prove natural selection's affinity for creating offspring over other priorities.)


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Im sure there are more, but from the Christian perspective, the pain and risk of childbirth is explained in Genesis as a "curse of sin", just like the pain and toils of working in the field are for men.

Anyways....back to free energy... 

[bills]

Geese are we still disusing this.