Owon MSO8202T or Tektronix MSO2024 or a complete different one?

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Hello Everyone
I'm interested in a new Oscilloscope.
I searched quite a time now and the Tektronix 2024 looks interesting.
http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/83460.pdf
Downside is the price for a new one, but then you have the warranty which looks nice to me
http://www.tek.com/service/warranties/warranty-18
A Feature which i think is great is the "Mixed Signal Design and Analysis"
also it has 4 channels.

i searched a bit and found this one

Owon MSO8202T
http://www.bestoscilloscope.com/digital-oscilloscope/owon-mso8202t.html

Upside it only cost roughly a 3rd of the Tektronix
It also has a logic analyzer
i found it interesting according to the Datasheet the Owon has a  faster  rise time than the Tektronix  (?1.7ns  and the Tektronix 2.1 ns )
but has only 2 channels.

So I'm not quite sure if the Owon would be a good investment.
The Tektronix is sure a good investment
But it's expensive.

If you know of a product that would be compareable to them pleas let me know 

last but not least what i imagine for a new scope:
-bandwith at least 200MHz
-Logic Analyzer is nice to have but I'm sure it makes things much more expensive
-fast rise time
-budget 3000€ would be really painful but it's a one time investment so I think it would be worth it.

Cheers.

[kripton2035]

dave's review of the tek is not really going to make you buy one
look at the previous eev videos...
and take a look at the same range agilent scopes ...

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thx i will watch it
Also i will take a lok at the Agilent ones.
Cheers

[tinhead]

dave's review of the tek is not really going to make you buy one

don't mix models, Dave talk about the TDS series, NOT DPO nor MSO,
these are lot of performance and feature differences between them.

[kripton2035]

dave talked about the tek MDO4000, very bad user interface compared to the agilent...
I'm pretty sure the ms020xx serie is quite the same...
http://www.eevblog.com/2011/08/31/eevblog-199-tektronix-mixed-domain-oscilloscope-mdo4000-review/

[alm]

I haven't seen any reviews on the Owon MSO range. Given the firmware issues in the SDS series and the mediocre PDS series, I would much rather by a Tek (or Agilent or Lecroy) scope sight unseen than Owon.

[T4P]

I haven't seen any reviews on the Owon MSO range. Given the firmware issues in the SDS series and the mediocre PDS series, I would much rather by a Tek (or Agilent or Lecroy) scope sight unseen than Owon.

Sure the firmware has issues but it's a cheap alternative . 
Yeah sure i like agilent but the last time i checked , a DSOX2012A is more then 3 times what i have to pay for a SDS7102V
The MSOX2022A is like 4 times more for 8 fewer channels then the MSO8202T . So yes , Agilent is a big notch more expensive for the MSOX2022A , but it's good stuff , the SDS7102V is good for starting out , but eventually pretty sure you will buy a agilent DSOX3000 .
( OOPS , agilent's MSO addon for the 3024A is like 1800$ )

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After seeing the EEVblog #143 I decided to get a AGILENT DSOX2024A, the DSOX3000 is over the budget but I think I found my new scope

[DaveW]

Have a look at the HMO2024 as well-very competitive with the DSOX2024

[kripton2035]

I agree with the hameg 2024... I would choose this one with a logic adapter and some software (i2c spi ...)
I would love to see a rigol alternative to a small logic analyzer but with software pattern recognition like i2c or spi
I have a open logic sniffer, it's enought for my needs, but the user interface is pretty "crude"  ...
someone to make a decent lcd interface to clip on a logic sniffer ?
my 2 cents...

[EEVblog]

The Tek MSO is a decent scope (different beast to the TDS ).
But I'd consider the Agilent and Hameg MSO units as well.
Mixed signal scopes are nice to have, and if you have the money, go for it, but I think that if you have to ask the question, you probably don't need it, and it may be better bang-per-buck to get a non MSO scope and a separate logic analyser. In this respect, the scope that you pay extra for the logic analyser kinda make sense. Buy the analyser only when/if you need it.

The Agilent 3000X is probably just out of your price range.

BTW, the rise time simply matches the bandwidth. So all 200MHz scopes should be effectively the same rise time.

The Owon? Well, it's an Owon...

3000€ is a lot of coin for a scope, so make it a good one.

The Hameg HMO looks like a good deal at < EUR 2200
200MHz, 4CH, mixed signal.
http://www.distek.ro/en/Product/Digital-Oscilloscope-4-x-200-MHz-Hameg-HMO2024-1093
https://www.buerklin.com/default.asp?kwd=Digital-memory-oscilloscopes-type-Hameg-HMO-2022HMO-2024&event=ShowDvNr(K101580)&l=e

Dave.

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Thank You for the replies.

Yesterday I had a look on the HMO2024.
Looks also good, but i decided to go for the MSOX2024A costs about 400€ more but i think it may be worth it.
i simply posted i wanted a fast rise time because i did see there are some differences in the rise time (OK only some ns)
It's just wanted to go sure^^ (and yes it's my first buy of a Digital Scope)


@ Dave after watching your blog about the Agilent one, it made me exited.
I don't need an Analyzer right now, but there is a high possibility to need one for future projects. So i might get one right now.

A big Thanks to all 
Cheers

[prestigetest]

I have a Tek TDS684 with options 13/1F/2F and a Tek TDS784D with options 13/1F/HD/2M/2F/2C available if you are interested. The TDS684C is available for $3,300 USD and the TDS784D is available for $4000 USD. Both of these unit's have been calibrated with data, and come with a manual on cd, power cord, and a 30 day warranty. I can send you photo's if you are interested.

[kripton2035]

sorry to interrupt, but it seems that the agilent 2000 serie is not capable of interpreting logic serial busses like i2c or spi
even with a costly option...
and to me a logic analyzer without these features is useless, better buy an inexpensive logic sniffer...
if you want a decent logic analyzer, you must go to the agilent 3000 series, which is quite 2x the price of the 2000 plus options...

no definitely the hameg 2024 is very good ratio features/price range and has options to interpret serial  signals...
the other dont have the option or are much expensive.

please correct me if I'm wrong !

[T4P]

The MSOX2022A is like 4 times more for 8 fewer channels then the MSO8202T .
( OOPS , agilent's MSO addon for the 3024A is like 1800$ )

Edited
and it gets worse , like kripton2035 said , it can't do i2c or spi , what's the point then ?

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And here, poor fool, I stand once more, // No wiser than I was before.
-Goethe

Did i see it correctly that the decoding for I2C and SPI is an optional feature for the Hameg?

[ShiftRegister]

Did i see it correctly that the decoding for I2C and SPI is an optional feature for the Hameg?

Thats correct.
Option for analog channels: http://www.hameg.com/h015_hoo11.0.html?&no_cache=1 and this one for analog and/or digital channels: http://www.hameg.com/h014_hoo10.0.html?&no_cache=1

[DaveW]

Yeah, like most of them, the decoding for different comms are optional. If you're set on the Agilent 2000 series, you might well be better off with a DSO and a USB logic analyser, unless you're mostly working with parallel busses or willing to decoding in post processing. Review of the HMO2024 if you're interested, with serial decoding on the analog channels,

[shadowless]

That's why Agilent should really put the useless serial button on the DSOX2000 scope to work.

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Thanks for the Video.
I might really go for only the Scope without the logic analyzer.
But for the price of the agilent I can get the HAMEG without the Serial Bus feature, but it would have the logic analyzer.
Hmm it seems I must really give it more thought -.-

[T4P]

Thanks for the Video.
I might really go for only the Scope without the logic analyzer.
But for the price of the agilent I can get the HAMEG without the Serial Bus feature, but it would have the logic analyzer.
Hmm it seems I must really give it more thought -.-

You get 25 times more wfrm updates per second ... invaluable .
The smaller memory depth is due to the faster update rate , really , buy the Agilent , the quick wfrm update will pay off for itself .

Now , if you want a logic analyzer ... Get a separate logic analyzer .
Or the logic sniffer from seeedstudio which can support up to 32 channels , 32 CHANNELS ?!

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Ok, the Sniffer for 50€  and an Agilent 2024 seems to be a perfect solution for my needs.

I will think about that sollution for a while.

[DaveW]

It depends what you're planning to do. If you're working with analog electronics, then you probably won't need the digital channels. As most people end up playing with embedded systems at some point though, the digital channels become pretty useful.
The digital channels on the MSO scopes are typically higher performance sampling than the standalone sniffers. This can be essential if you start working with high speed digital, FPGAs etc. Having said that, for playing with general embedded stuff, you aren't likely to need that. And the standalone units generally have excellent software, which can decode lots of protocols for no more money, as opposed to the upgrade approach on mixed signal scopes.
As well as being higher speed, capturing the signal on a scope also has the advantage that the signals will be correlated in time with your analog signals, which can be extremely useful for mixed signal systems.
As for waveforms per second, it's nice, but I wouldn't get hung up on it as the deciding factor, whereas factors like memory depth is absolutely critical for long single shot captures, the need for which comes up extremely frequently

[T4P]

It depends what you're planning to do. If you're working with analog electronics, then you probably won't need the digital channels. As most people end up playing with embedded systems at some point though, the digital channels become pretty useful.
The digital channels on the MSO scopes are typically higher performance sampling than the standalone sniffers. This can be essential if you start working with high speed digital, FPGAs etc. Having said that, for playing with general embedded stuff, you aren't likely to need that. And the standalone units generally have excellent software, which can decode lots of protocols for no more money, as opposed to the upgrade approach on mixed signal scopes.
As well as being higher speed, capturing the signal on a scope also has the advantage that the signals will be correlated in time with your analog signals, which can be extremely useful for mixed signal systems.
As for waveforms per second, it's nice, but I wouldn't get hung up on it as the deciding factor, whereas factors like memory depth is absolutely critical for long single shot captures, the need for which comes up extremely frequently

Really important is the update rate , easy to catch glitches .
Memory depth , if you want that over update rate the hantek is fine .
but if you memory depth and update rate , hoho , X3000 .
But mind you the open logic sniffer has a sampling rate of 200Msps on across all 16 channels .
And 100 Msps across 32 channels .
Now how about 8 channels , yep , 400Msps . I think .