And where did you get quran was a bible translation? how do you explain the differences in quran that are not available in earlier text? Another human invention? where in bible pork is permitted? Just because another verse stated all meats are good? Logically speaking..clause a) pork is not good, clause b) all meats are good. How do you interpret? Clause b cancels A? That make they are contradicting! How about treat them as combination? All meats are good except pork? follow your heart with guidance. Without guidance you can do anything including bad things.
I would say "learn to read". I did not say that the Koran is a translation of the bible. I stated that the Koran is a translation of earlier Koran written in an ancient language, And that the bible is a translation of earlier bible written in an ancient language.
And over time both have changed. Only when you have access to the earliest exemplar and are able to understand the ancient language will you be able to tell if the translations are correct and nothing has changed, but as with so many stories they change over time when they are rewritten.
It is your provocative to live to the letter of the Koran, but you should not try to enforce it onto others. Individuality is what we are talking about, and are trying to reach consensus about what is common sense.
What you are writing is propagating hate onto the different.
It really isn't worth trying to debate religion, using logic or common sense. It won't get you anywhere!
homo otoh is pure disgusting (for me esp male when they do love things in public) they are very very seldom here but i've encoutered one or two. imho its a feel good stink-ass sickness just want to get rid of sexual-related responsibility. i'm sorry if you have a family of such.
I would say "ding ding ding we have a winner of the homophobic of the year award"
I would say that don't like to see any sexual act which doesn't turn me on. I saw a straight couple, with their bodies covered in ugly tattoos and piercings all over each other a few weeks ago and thought yuck.
Mutilation implies involuntary, I would say, yes.
Male genital mutilation is also very common, even in the west; fortunately, it's finally falling out of vogue.
There are indeed people who do very strange things to their bodies. As adults, with consent. Often without medical oversight, at that; so, they get such modifications done at the piercing parlor rather than the doctor's office, and don't benefit from anesthesia. So it's also a pain tolerance thing. Split tongue (yikes), pierced labia (ouch), various kinds of implants, etc. I think there's some even with split dicks, which... not honestly sure if that's as in a real living thing or shock content (I mean, it's certainly the latter regardless), but... if you like it that way? I guess so?
Oh yeah, random question: do you smoke? Do you know friends who smoke?
Tim
This is a satire, right? How can you compare smoking to an operation, that removes the possibility of ever having children?
Which is now done on minors, that are a few year old, despite their parent's lack of consent in Canada?
You're either conflating gender assignment surgery in neonates born intersex of ambigious gender with elective gender assignment, or you are referring to a case that involves a 17 year old, and are asserting that a 17 year old (almost of the age to marry, take jobs, vote, get killed in the military [18, but 17 with parental consent], etc.) is "a few year old" and incapable of deciding for themselves whether they want to have children in the future or make any decisions that affect the rest of their life.
No, it's like 14 for Canada, 4 for Scotland. Canada is passing a law, where the parent can go up to 5 year in prison if they interfere with the operation of their own child, that they are the guardian of. Because the state knows better.
Exactly.
The problem is, this is being rolled out to minors. The legal age for drinking alcohol is 21 in the US, so how anyone there can argue children should be allowed to take drugs and have surgery with permanent effects is beyond belief.
Precisely. Keep the minors out of this.
As to how anyone can argue the obvious, this is tactic of changing society from the ground up. Think about it: how quickly it came from allowing same sex marriage* to gender reassignment of minors, bending elementary school curriculum, state overreach over parent's decisions, opportunist scumbags infiltrated in teenager girl's environments, etc. All were introduced step by step initially for adults and surreptitiously pushed onto minors without pushback for a while, as the ones that alerted and opposed this were one by one tossed out of the room with screeching shaming and bully tactics. Fortunately there is change in the horizon against the excesses, but it will take time until passion is taken out and reason sets in.
Even as far as adults are concerned, there still needs to be safeguards, which should also apply to cosmetic surgeries. I'm all in favour of allowing grown adults to do what they want with their own bodies. The state should not prohibit gender reassignment surgeries, hormones, cosmetic procedures or mandate vaccination. It has to be regulated through. The clinician performing the procedure/proscribing the medication has to have appropriate experience and training. The patient needs to give informed consent. Part of this should be a psychological assessment to ensure they're not being pressured into it, or are going to regret it later. Unfortunately there are too many instances of this not happening.
Indeed. Just like any medical procedure that has lifelong consequences (and is not life threatening), the decision must be taken with a professional approach to give time for the individual to properly reflect over all pros/cons.
My view has shifted on gender reassignment of minors. I was originally in favour of puberty blockers, but have changed by view. The idea of postponing puberty until the individual is old enough to consent to more interventions sounded like a good idea, because someone with gender dysphoria might find their body developing into the sex which doesn't match their psychological gender stressful. I changed my view when I realised: changes which occur during puberty directly affects the person's psychological development and puberty blockers retard it, the long term effects are unknown, many children with gender dysphoria grow out of it on their own, some gender reassignment surgeries require the person to have gone through puberty to some degree and there are activists who are encouraging children to believe they're trans, when they're probably not.
*Before someone starts to bend my words, I personally don't agree with same sex marriage but don't think the state has any saying in prohibiting this between consenting adults.
I have mixed views on the matter. I don't like words being redefined in the sense of political correctness, but lovers should have the right to have a formal, legally recognised relationship, irrespective of whether they're the same sex, or not. Ideally, the state should keep out of marriage and only civil unions, be they hetero or homosexual recognised in law, with marriage being purely religious. Unfortunately the state has been involved with marriage, ever since the state's existence, so there's no alternative, but to allow marriage, whether it be same sex, or opposite sex. It hasn't cost the government anything and has appeared to please more people, than it's upset, so it makes sense.
I'm uneasy about two men adopting a child. Does that make me homophobic? Perhaps not, because I don't feel the same sense of anxiety about two women adopting a child. I suppose I just think children are safer with women, than men.