EEVblog #948 - Nixie Tube Display Project - Part 1

[prof]

"This video is private."

[5n44p]

Why is the video gone private? 

[Barny]

The big nixie tube industrie raided Dave's lab & took down his video.

[Fliz]

He messed something up, again?

[nikomo]

Two options for speculation, either he deleted it because he was being a major dummie with the OSH Park stuff, or because he didn't want the video to be interpreted as some sort of promotional content because he mentioned what PCB fab he got a coupon from.

[RGB255_0_0]

Two options for speculation, either he deleted it because he was being a major dummie with the OSH Park stuff, or because he didn't want the video to be interpreted as some sort of promotional content because he mentioned what PCB fab he got a coupon from.

Likely this. I still have it open and have rewatched it a couple of times looking for anything that might be perhaps personal info or sensitive and didn't notice anything so likely you're right.

[TheAmmoniacal]

One viewer says he saw Dave's office address and personal phone number in the video, seems likely not to want that public. I didn't catch it when I watched it though.

[RGB255_0_0]

One viewer says he saw Dave's office address and personal phone number in the video, seems likely not to want that public. I didn't catch it when I watched it though.

Yes, just spotted it on the order page. But I doubt it's the address he's worried about, more the telephone number 

[TheAmmoniacal]

One viewer says he saw Dave's office address and personal phone number in the video, seems likely not to want that public. I didn't catch it when I watched it though.

Yes, just spotted it on the order page. But I doubt it's the address he's worried about, more the telephone number 

If I remember correctly he did get some calls by random viewers last time they found his number.

[RGB255_0_0]

Will be interesting the next live show 

[timgiles]

Hope a rework of the video is put up soon.

[Towger]

Not the first time... Dave has tweeted delivery tracking numbers, which reveal all then entered on the couriers site!

[EEVblog]

Video is back up.

[mrpackethead]

Dave Junior is wrong.  PCBWay do really do the job in those time frames.

Allpcb.com and pcbway.com are both owned by the same chinese company.  ( JDBPCB )     They developed the interface for PCBway and it has been so sucessfull that they are now using it to front end about 40 other chinese PCB factorys.  ( yes its bizzare )    I've found the service to be really really good,  ( i've typicaloly buying 4 layer boards ).. The stencils are awesome as well.  theres just no reason not to use them at all.

Allpcb are also offering some other interesting services like front panels and also access to lots of low cost parts.

No they dont' pay me. I'm just a happy customer..   

[mrpackethead]

One viewer says he saw Dave's office address and personal phone number in the video, seems likely not to want that public. I didn't catch it when I watched it though.

Yes, just spotted it on the order page. But I doubt it's the address he's worried about, more the telephone number 

Daves phone number is  7662    When Did Sydney still have four digit phone numbers.

[prof]

After looking at the video I checked out pcbway.com. They're quite cheap and fast and offer a ton of options were others would tell you to go fish... I really have to try them some time when I need some of those special options.

Having said that my current projects all go to elecrow. They might not be always the cheapest but they have a very good service and even the prototype boards are of professional quality (no mouse bites but everything professionally milled and no random silkscreen rubbish many others would put on the boards ) and the turnaround of the cheapest shipping option is already quite swift (under 10 calendar days to Germany) and they usually include extra boards for free if the panel is not yet full.

[NivagSwerdna]

Having said that my current projects all go to elecrow.

Mine too.  Very happy with them and all have worked first time with zero issues.  The photo as they dispatch them is a very nice touch.  +1 for Elecrow.

[thm_w]

Would be interesting to know the discrepancy between pcbshopper and the sites, seems to be related to the fast turn times, I PM'ed Bob to ask him to comment.
Wish I could use the DHL shipping option, its not bad but then you add ~$16 duties/taxes on that and it adds up quickly (ancient canadian import laws).

As for the Altium footprint thing, there is clearly something wrong. But most likely it did warn him when he was doing the board update, that it would change the package from 0603 to through hole (whatever the footprint was called).
I've had Altium replace an 0603 with another footprint named 0603 (I guess it was higher on the libraries list), but never a different name.

[rea5245]

As the owner of PCBShopper.com, I would like to clear up some of Dave's confusion.

At the 36 minute mark, Dave is using PCBShopper and saying some nice things about it - thank you! But at 36:15 he asks why more companies aren't showing up when he selects 5 business days, because he knows that many companies offer a 5 day lead time. The reason is that PCBShopper's day selection field is labeled "Boards arrive in:", and the Total Days column in the results has a footnote that says:

"Total Days" is a worst-case estimate of the number of business days it will take for you to receive your PCBs, i.e. manufacturing time plus shipping time, excluding weekends and holidays. If the manufacturer says "5-8 days", we quote 8 days.

So PCBShopper is telling you lead time plus shipping time, and so very few companies can deliver the boards to your door in 5 business days. Contrary to what Dave says at 36:40, PCBShopper is showing the complete picture. As for whether PCBShopper should be taken as gospel: since Dave is an atheist, my goal is to be better than gospel with him. :-)

At 37:30, Dave is puzzled that PCBShopper didn't show him the same price as PCBWay. The reasons for that are: 1) PCBShopper is quoting the Express 24 hour price, since Dave asked for the boards to arrive at his door in 7 business days and DHL shipping quotes "3-5 business days". 2) PCBWay adds a PayPal fee to their price at checkout, and PCBShopper is taking that into account. (Regarding points 1 and 2, in PCBShopper's results for PCBWay there's a note that says "Select the express 24hours build time. Price includes PayPal fee." And 3) PCBWay is showing US dollars and PCBShopper is showing Australian dollars (there's a pull-down control at the top of the PCBShopper price results that lets you switch to US dollars).

At 37:40, Dave says "PCBShopper has failed us". That's an unfortunate choice of words. In fact, PCBShopper has provided the correct results.

- Bob Alexander
  PCBShopper.com
 

[mrpackethead]

Sadly, i kind of agree with Dave.  Theres times when PCBshopper adds confusion.. While it does provide you with a lot of information its not always in a way that is sensible.     The other issue is that its often possible to further reduce prices by lookign at various options at a particular vendors site..

As the owner of PCBShopper.com, I would like to clear up some of Dave's confusion.

At the 36 minute mark, Dave is using PCBShopper and saying some nice things about it - thank you! But at 36:15 he asks why more companies aren't showing up when he selects 5 business days, because he knows that many companies offer a 5 day lead time. The reason is that PCBShopper's day selection field is labeled "Boards arrive in:", and the Total Days column in the results has a footnote that says:

"Total Days" is a worst-case estimate of the number of business days it will take for you to receive your PCBs, i.e. manufacturing time plus shipping time, excluding weekends and holidays. If the manufacturer says "5-8 days", we quote 8 days.

So PCBShopper is telling you lead time plus shipping time, and so very few companies can deliver the boards to your door in 5 business days. Contrary to what Dave says at 36:40, PCBShopper is showing the complete picture. As for whether PCBShopper should be taken as gospel: since Dave is an atheist, my goal is to be better than gospel with him. :-)

At 37:30, Dave is puzzled that PCBShopper didn't show him the same price as PCBWay. The reasons for that are: 1) PCBShopper is quoting the Express 24 hour price, since Dave asked for the boards to arrive at his door in 7 business days and DHL shipping quotes "3-5 business days". 2) PCBWay adds a PayPal fee to their price at checkout, and PCBShopper is taking that into account. (Regarding points 1 and 2, in PCBShopper's results for PCBWay there's a note that says "Select the express 24hours build time. Price includes PayPal fee." And 3) PCBWay is showing US dollars and PCBWay is showing Australian dollars (there's a pull-down control at the top of the PCBShopper price results that lets you switch to US dollars).

At 37:40, Dave says "PCBShopper has failed us". That's an unfortunate choice of words. In fact, PCBShopper has provided the correct results.

- Bob Alexander
  PCBShopper.com
 

[rea5245]

Sadly, i kind of agree with Dave.  Theres times when PCBshopper adds confusion.. While it does provide you with a lot of information its not always in a way that is sensible.     The other issue is that its often possible to further reduce prices by lookign at various options at a particular vendors site..

If you tell me how it adds confusion, what is not sensible, and give examples of how vendors' sites let you further reduce prices, I might be able to address those issues. But based on what you've written, I really don't know what to do.

- Bob Alexander
  PCBShopper.com

[eV1Te]

As the owner of PCBShopper.com, I would like to clear up some of Dave's confusion.
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- Bob Alexander
  PCBShopper.com
 

Its unfortunate if Daves conclusions were inaccurate since it would probably affect a lot of his subscribers opinions about your site. I have never used PCBShopper before so I cant add anything to the discussion.

But luckily you took some time to write here to explain some of the comments, maybe you should also reply directly to the Youtube comments in order to reach as many viewers as possible.
Thanks for your honesty and quick reply here on the site I promise that I will try your site the next time I am ordering PCBs.

[rea5245]

But luckily you took some time to write here to explain some of the comments,

It wasn't luck. A kind soul sent me a private message to let me know about the video.

- Bob

[FrankBuss]

Maybe Dave could add some annotations in the video, and write something in the description? I know, nobody reads the description but at least every new viewer could see the annotation.

[rs20]

Oof, this seems like a particularly unfortunate PEBKAC -- pcbshopper being labelled as being all over the place, while it's the varied pricing structures of all the PCB companies that are all over the place and pcbshopper is quite explicitly cutting through all that variation. In other words, the fact that Dave was so confused by pcbshopper's results is exactly why you should use it, rather than why you shouldn't. Tough situation 

Maybe Dave could add some annotations in the video, and write something in the description? I know, nobody reads the description but at least every new viewer could see the annotation.

Annotations don't exist anymore, and were never visible on mobile anyway.