EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[Fungus]

Ok... So they are, and I quote "also developing military-grade Batterisers so our troops will no longer need to haul 16 lbs of batteries on an average 72 hour mission."

It's actually 20lbs (or was in 2011) ... but only a tiny percentage are AAs:

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2011/May/Pages/ArmyMarinesFaceUphillBattleToLightenTroops%E2%80%99BatteryLoad.aspx

The night vision systems use 1 AA battery that lasts 50 hours:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PVS-14

It's only dark for half the day so a single AA has that one covered.

The other things that use AAs are flashlights, I'm pretty sure they'll already have boosters in them.

      Way to pull at the heart-strings of the American public. Next they will be developing Batterisers for hospital medical use in Children's hospitals.

Don't worry, they've already been down that road. Apparently the same device that gets every last drop of power out of a battery also does it without fully discharging the battery - because that would be unsafe and burn people's babies!!!

You can also mix old and new batteries, no problem.

Is there no end to Batteroo's engineering talent?

[ez24]

Ok... So they are, and I quote "also developing military-grade Batterisers so our troops will no longer need to haul 16 lbs of batteries on an average 72 hour mission."

It's actually 20lbs (or was in 2011) ... but only a tiny percentage are AAs:

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2011/May/Pages/ArmyMarinesFaceUphillBattleToLightenTroops%E2%80%99BatteryLoad.aspx

From your link

The average multiband “manpack” radio, for instance, requires 216 AA batteries every two days if it’s operated continuously.

Can we buy stock in Batteriser ?  I can just see them getting a 100 million dollar contract with the US and Mr R laughing on his private island. 

[Wytnucls]

Streamlight 14032 Sidewinder Military Tactical Flashlight, 2 AA batteries, lasting 75 hours of continuous use.

[LabSpokane]

Hi,

A quick (in)sanity check:

16 lbs of batteries

AA battery typically weighs 0.8oz (Panasonic datasheet)

Therefore 20 batteries to the lb.

16 lbs is the equivalent of 320 AA batteries for a 72 Hour mission

I am sure that they probably use more exotic batteries, LTO etc.

And again I am sure much of the equipment has switching supplies.


Jay_Diddy_B

To be fair, the expression "There's the good way, the bad way, and there's the army way" exists for a reason

If one adds up the batteries of an entire squad, maybe.  Otherwise, no.

[LabSpokane]

Ok... So they are, and I quote "also developing military-grade Batterisers so our troops will no longer need to haul 16 lbs of batteries on an average 72 hour mission."

It's actually 20lbs (or was in 2011) ... but only a tiny percentage are AAs:

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2011/May/Pages/ArmyMarinesFaceUphillBattleToLightenTroops%E2%80%99BatteryLoad.aspx

From your link

The average multiband “manpack” radio, for instance, requires 216 AA batteries every two days if it’s operated continuously.

Can we buy stock in Batteriser ?  I can just see them getting a 100 million dollar contract with the US and Mr R laughing on his private island.

If Batteroo wins a $100M contract and make similar claims to their present ones, they can potentially be sued via Qui Tam (False Claims Act).  The plaintiff can recover between 15 and 25% of the damages, which can be triple the amount of loss the government determines it has suffered. 

[apis]

Ok... So they are, and I quote "also developing military-grade Batterisers so our troops will no longer need to haul 16 lbs of batteries on an average 72 hour mission."

If that's true they will be disappointed when they realize that the US military actually test things before they buy them.

[ccs46]

Streamlight 14032 Sidewinder Military Tactical Flashlight, 2 AA batteries, lasting 75 hours of continuous use.

I have that one. A damn well built flashlight.


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[Smokey]

Ok... So they are, and I quote "also developing military-grade Batterisers so our troops will no longer need to haul 16 lbs of batteries on an average 72 hour mission."

If that's true they will be disappointed when they realize that the US military actually test things before they buy them.

sometimes...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/04/29/dowsing_for_bombs_maker_of_useless_bomb_detectors_convicted_of_fraud.html

[LabSpokane]

Ok... So they are, and I quote "also developing military-grade Batterisers so our troops will no longer need to haul 16 lbs of batteries on an average 72 hour mission."

If that's true they will be disappointed when they realize that the US military actually test things before they buy them.

sometimes...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/04/29/dowsing_for_bombs_maker_of_useless_bomb_detectors_convicted_of_fraud.html

Note:  These were purchased and used by the IRAQI military.  Not the US military to my knowledge.  It was the US military that was outraged at their use instead of dogs.

[Fungus]

The average multiband “manpack” radio, for instance, requires 216 AA batteries every two days if it’s operated continuously.

So WTF is a "multiband manpack radio" and why is it so badly designed?

The only thing I could find is this and it doesn't use AA batteries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PRC-117F

I can just see them getting a 100 million dollar contract with the US and Mr R laughing on his private island.

a) I'm sure the army will test the batteriser before buying. Fortunately the test isn't difficult to do.
b) Batteriser is too flimsy for the army.

[ez24]

6 HOURS LEFT !!!

Get yours now

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteriser-extend-battery-life-by-up-to-8x#/story

[LabSpokane]

6 hours to go, and the same people are ordering *multiple times in a row*?

What the ....?

[ez24]

6 hours to go, and the same people are ordering *multiple times in a row*?

What the ....?

They want to re-sell them on eBay for $10 each!

[EEVblog]

6 HOURS LEFT !!!
Get yours now
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteriser-extend-battery-life-by-up-to-8x#/story

Will they crack $400K?

Of course, now comes the pesky task of actually shipping.
And once units are in people's hand, if they think the community have been too harsh on them before, they could be in for shock if it doesn't test as well as they claim it is.
Of course, being engineers who are mostly incapable of lying about technical stuff, if it works as well as they say, they'll be applauded.
Of course, none of that really matters, all they need (and are desperately hoping/trying for I'm sure) is to get a huge order from someone like Walmart.

[ez24]

6 HOURS LEFT !!!
Get yours now
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteriser-extend-battery-life-by-up-to-8x#/story

Will they crack $400K?

Of course, now comes the pesky task of actually shipping.
And once units are in people's hand, if they think the community have been too harsh on them before, they could be in for shock if it doesn't test as well as they claim it is.
Of course, being engineers who are mostly incapable of lying about technical stuff, if it works as well as they say, they'll be applauded.
Of course, none of that really matters, all they need (and are desperately hoping/trying for I'm sure) is to get a huge order from someone like Walmart.

Dave how many did you buy?

[GoldSrc]

6 HOURS LEFT !!!

Get yours now

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteriser-extend-battery-life-by-up-to-8x#/story

They still have the stupid claim that using a power supply to test the battery cut off voltage is wrong in their FAQ  , how many times have that stupid claim been destroyed?
I can't wait to see the mob of angry backers who now get less battery life when using the Batteriser on new fresh batteries and less than their claimed "80% more".

[Jay_Diddy_B]

6 hours to go, and the same people are ordering *multiple times in a row*?

What the ....?

 A person called Anonymous has bought loads !!

I would want to be anonymous if I signed up. 

Jay_Diddy_B

[ez24]

 A person called Anonymous has bought loads !!

I would want to be anonymous if I signed up. 

Maybe Anonymous name starts with D

They have 3 - $1,000 buyers.  Come on guys - fess up

[jippie]

The average multiband “manpack” radio, for instance, requires 216 AA batteries every two days if it’s operated continuously.

So WTF is a "multiband manpack radio" and why is it so badly designed?

The only thing I could find is this and it doesn't use AA batteries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PRC-117F

Good luck fitting a Batteriser over one of these:


Notice the words "sealed" and "do not disassemble" on the label.

[ez24]

1 hr left  !!!!!!!!

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteriser-extend-battery-life-by-up-to-8x#/story


I am waiting for the fireworks to start

[Galenbo]

... We are also developing military-grade Batterisers so our troops will no longer need to haul 16 lbs of batteries on an average 72 hour mission.

I'm glad to see that guys who don't know about CE/UL and struggle with the difference between voltage and capacity, are now recognied suppliers for the army.
You see, everything is possible, never stop believing.

[EEVblog]

It's done and dusted!
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteriser-extend-battery-life-by-up-to-8x#/funders
$395,314
7400 backers.
And IIRC Bob said they are on track for shipping. Let's see...

[Galenbo]

6 HOURS LEFT !!!

Get yours now

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteriser-extend-battery-life-by-up-to-8x#/story

Is there, like in solaroads, government/taxpayer money involved/wasted?
Somebody has info about that?

[ez24]

It's done and dusted!
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteriser-extend-battery-life-by-up-to-8x#/funders
$395,314
7400 backers.
And IIRC Bob said they are on track for shipping. Let's see...

Darn and no fireworks 

How about a survey on who bought one.  Once I knew how to start one but now I do not know how.  I am really curious on how many members bought one.  I will confess ... I ..... did ...... not.  sniff sniff

[EEVblog]

Is there, like in solaroads, government/taxpayer money involved/wasted?

Nope, just gullible venture capital investors:
http://sktainnopartners.com/80-2/