EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[FrankBuss]

I wonder who are the two people that bought the $1000 "Platinum Bundle" and another two bought the $500 "Diamond Bundle". I guess either they bought it themselves to make it look bigger (only a small loss of the fees, but might be a big part for the other rewards, too), or they convinced naive resellers.

[EEVblog]

I wonder who are the two people that bought the $1000 "Platinum Bundle" and another two bought the $500 "Diamond Bundle". I guess either they bought it themselves to make it look bigger (only a small loss of the fees, but might be a big part for the other rewards, too), or they convinced naive resellers.

Either of those. No way Joe Average backer ordered those.

[McBryce]

They'll get their money back at the next family gathering

McBryce.

[Galenbo]

I wonder who are the two people that bought the $1000 "Platinum Bundle" and another two bought the $500 "Diamond Bundle". I guess either they bought it themselves to make it look bigger (only a small loss of the fees, but might be a big part for the other rewards, too), or they convinced naive resellers.

If real, I quess some (indirectly) subsidized "think outside the box" "be positive" organisation.
Choice enough in that swarm, and the lack of any technical knowledge in all of them is high enough to make the successful purchase.

[Fungus]

They'll get their money back at the next family gathering

Doesn't IndieGoGo take, like, 20%?

There won't be much left after they refund the family members and give IGG their cut.

[StillTrying]

At the family gathering they be able to discuss their next world changing advance in 19th century battery technology.

[Brumby]

They'll get their money back at the next family gathering

Doesn't IndieGoGo take, like, 20%?

There won't be much left after they refund the family members and give IGG their cut.

Probably have it sorted as a write-off for tax.

[dr_frost_dk]

New video out, same shit with unregulated laser pointer this time instead of incandescent torches.... just give a few $ extra for a proper regulated laser pointer or LED torch

[Towger]

Why is the time code on it?  Looks like a preview from the production company.

[Jay_Diddy_B]

Why is the time code on it?  snip...

So you know exactly how much time you wasted watching the video 

Jay_Diddy_B

[Brumby]

When you know how the Batteroo sleeve works and how a laser diode works, there is absolutely NO surprise in the change in lux.  Doesn't say much for the laser pointer, though.

The only other thing not addressed is the question on run time.  This has always been key to the claims from Batteroo, but it is the one area where they have repeatedly fallen short.


But ... they have demonstrated a significant result.  Pure gold for the marketing department.  "Over 200 times brighter" is a magnificent eye catcher ... for those who don't understand how these things work.

[Muttley Snickers]

Reply #9000, an epic thread by all accounts.   

[Brumby]

Shakespeare had things like this covered very well....

[EEVblog]

Reply #9000, an epic thread by all accounts.   

[Fungus]

The only other thing not addressed is the question on run time.  This has always been key to the claims from Batteroo, but it is the one area where they have repeatedly fallen short.

"Falling short" implies they were trying to address that.   

[Brumby]

I have not used the term to express how they have fallen short of their objectives - but how they have fallen short of everyone else's expectations.

[frozenfrogz]

Re: Battroo/Batteriser using Eneloop in their marketing campaign

Three months ago I wrote a complaint to Eneloop / Panasonic regarding the use of Eneloop in the Batteriser campaign videos, asking if they are in any way connected with that shady company.
Today I got an Email from the Inside Sales Coordinator for Germany, Austria and Switzerland!

Here is an excerpt/quote from the mail:

Bitte entschuldigen Sie, dass Sie unsere Antwort erst jetzt erhalten:

Ihren Beitrag habe ich unserer Geschäftsleitung weitergeleitet, die versichert hat, dass es keine Erlaubnis für die Nutzung von eneloop bei Batteroo gibt.
Der Fall wurde von der Markenlizenzabteilung in der Zentrale in Japan aufgenommen, um entsprechende Maßnahmen zu ergreifen.

Wir wünschen Ihnen weiterhin viel Freude an unseren eneloop-Produkten und stehen Ihnen für weitere Fragen gerne zur Verfügung.

Basically she apologized for not getting back to me earlier and told me that Eneloop is in no way a business acquaintance of Batteroo. She asked the head of department and they never gave permission for the use of their name. The issue has been filed to their trademark copyright department at central HQ in Japan and legal actions will be taken. 

Have a good day everyone

[Ysjoelfir]

I got the very same message today, just a few minutes ago. Interesting to know that their wheels were turning. We will see what will happen there.

[EEVblog]

Oh, wow, the Batteriser, is that still a thing? 

I still have the GPS and the AA Batterisers I didn't test, but it's now just water (sewage) under the bridge.

[frozenfrogz]

Nah.. it’s not really a thing anymore but thought you might be interested in this reaction from Panasonic

[Jay_Diddy_B]

Hi.

Yesterday there was an update posted on the Indiegogo campaign for the Batteroo ReBoost.

Here is the link: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteroo-reboost-make-rechargeables-work-anywhere-technology#/updates/all

And reproduced here:

November Update!
 


Hello Batteroo Supporters,

Just our monthly update, everything is on schedule! We are on track to ship in March as planned. One of our co-founders was in China this week checking up on manufacturing, see a picture of him there below!




In addition, for those of you who don't know, a couple weeks ago Indiegogo launched Indiegogo Marketplace! It's a platform where you can buy items and get them shipped within the next couple of days. Indiegogo chose our old products, Batteroo Boost, to feature on that page! If you want to get all the Batteroo benefits for disposable batteries with shipping in 3-5 days, check out our page here!

snip ..

Hope you all have a wonderful Thanksgiving, and be sure to check out our Indiegogo Marketplace page on Cyber Monday (11/27)

 

Regards,

The Batteroo Team




Once again, this update says next to nothing about the progress being made with the product.

It is also trying to promote sales of the Batteroo Boost.

I thought that there was going to be a 9V version. Has this been abandoned?


It should be added that there is next to no action in the comments section in Indiegogo. The last comment was two months ago.

Regards,

Jay_Diddy_B

[MLXXXp]

I thought that there was going to be a 9V version. Has this been abandoned?

During the Batteroo ReBoost campaign, Batteroo started responding to comments made in the original Batteroo campaign (I guess they wanted to make it look like they cared about backers after they received their money). They responded to a question about what happened to the free 9V Boost that was promised.

[Jay_Diddy_B]

Hi group,

There was another update, 15 days ago:

In case you missed it.

December Update- We are now partnered with BackerKit!
 


Hello Batteroo Supporters!

 



We are happy to announce we have partnered with BackerKit to assist us with some aspects of our post-campaign fulfillment. Having handled over 3000 crowdfunding projects, we could not be in better hands! They will be sending out our surveys to make sure all the information associated with your orders is up to date. You can expect the surveys sometime in January. You will also be able to purchase add-ons for your order; it could be more ReBoost Sleeves/Shells or you can even add Boost Sleeves from our original campaign for disposable batteries! (Reminder, Batteroo Boosts are available now, they make great Christmas gifts!  https://www.indiegogo.com/products/batteroo-extend-your-battery-s-life-significantly) We will send out another update letting you know exactly when you can expect these emails, so watch out for that! You will also be able to go into your survey and change it right up until we start shipping.

 

To  give you an update on the schedule of our activities, we have finalized the design for the IC (integrated circuit) that's basically the "brain" of the ReBoost, and sent it off for manufacturing! The next step is it going through rigorous quality assurance testing to make sure it's perfect. We have also ordered all the materials required for the rest of the Batteroo Sleeves and Shells, so everything is coming together! We are still on track to send out everyone's orders in March, but we will of course update you if anything changes.

 

That's it for now! Hope everyone has a wonderful holiday season, and we will see you all next year!

 

Regards,
The Batteroo Team


Let us hope their IC works first time.

Jay_Diddy_B

[rrinker]

 Any chance that BackerKit is one of the ones that emailed Dave to offer support?

[Cyberdragon]

For one of my classes, one of our lessons is product liability and warranty law (for the US of course). Under the principal of "implied warranty of merchantability", the product must be "fit for purpose". Since Batterizers claim to violate the laws of physics, they are clearly not "fit for purpose" and are therefore...ILLEGAL TO SELL IN THE US! Thus, you are allowed to file lawsuit for "breach of warranty"! Trying to disclaim the implied warranty of merchantability is also illegal (if they are actually trying to), so double wammy!

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Breach+of+Warranty

Good job Batteroo, we are legally allowed to bust your ass (and alot of other scam products)!