EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[Blocco]

Another deluded customer...



I don't know which claim he's talking about because I don't recall it ever being: "Batteroo increases battery life by 25-33%".

Jacob Dambergs doesn't seem to realise that, even if his "1/4 to 1/3 additional working life" claim is correct, he may have to use each Batteroo sleeve around 30-40 times to break even on his "investment".....  but, he will probably need to buy a new set of magic sleeves before he reaches those numbers.

[Luminax]

That's assuming those pisseroo doesn't fry any $1,000,000,000 device first... in which case the ROI would be... 

[StillTrying]

"just need to remember to take them off when changing the batteries."

Yes, because it's easy to miss the fact that the old batteries were jammed in with some contraption, while the new ones fit perfectly. 

[Hensingler]

And on and on it goes.

The world needs Battero because landfill

https://www.batteroo.com/blog/batteroo-landfills.html

The world needs batteroo because troops

https://www.batteroo.com/blog/batteroo-troops.html

And the only genuine Batteroo fan gives an honest and valued opinion

[digsys]

... And the only genuine Batteroo fan gives an honest and valued opinion ..

WOW, certainly gives Dave a serve ~15:30+ :-)   This guy seems genuine, think I'll switch sides :-)

[FrankBuss]

WOW, certainly gives Dave a serve ~15:30+ :-)   This guy seems genuine, think I'll switch sides :-)

You have a really high pain resistance, watching the whole video

[Brumby]

Yeah - he is hard to watch for more than 30 seconds.

In talking about Bob R. you really have to wonder about his criteria for assessing credibility - and I quote: "That's why I really know this guy's legit - because he got attacked so much."

His approach would get the nod from conspiracy theorists around the world and his testing "method" is not even as solid as his rust-laden cars.  Certainly there are some aspects of the Batteroo sleeve that we can agree could be useful in specific circumstances - but he seems happy to take these as fundamental validation of every aspect of the Batteroo claims.

Also, trying to discuss (let alone challenge) the subject with him that requires clear and objective thinking with an appreciation for the details will just make you throw your hands up in anguish.  I know, I tried some months ago.  The sad thing is that he takes his steamroller approach as a victory.

Interesting that he didn't like the video of his "testing" of the sleeves...

[steverino]

If he panned his camera around, we'd get a nice shot of the trailer he lives in.  Makes me proud to be an American!   

[Blocco]

And on and on it goes.

The world needs batteroo because troops

https://www.batteroo.com/blog/batteroo-troops.html

As with all Batteroo marketing this article is bogus and misleading because the military don't use Batteroo sleeves in their equipment and never will.

[FrankBuss]

As with all Batteroo marketing this article is bogus and misleading because the military don't actually use Batteroo sleeves in there equipment and never will.

They didn't write that they are using it. But the article they are citing doesn't exist anymore. But looks right, someone here were citing it, too:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-751-how-to-debunk-a-product-(the-batteriser)/msg763176/#msg763176

Maybe Batteroo even got the link from here? Of course, the military will test it before they buy it and if the results are as with all independent results so far, that using the sleeves from the beginning reduces the battery life, they won't use it.

[Blocco]

Anyway, here's another one, Batteroo are now attempting to give this crap away... just look at the excitement on the faces of the lucky recipients.. 

https://youtu.be/Gkthn6sa86o

[Brumby]

If he panned his camera around, we'd get a nice shot of the trailer he lives in.  Makes me proud to be an American!   

One thing I noticed was the generous number of appearances of the Confederate flag.  This may be an appalling and unfair understanding - but that always suggested a particular stereotype to me...

[McBryce]

If he panned his camera around, we'd get a nice shot of the trailer he lives in.  Makes me proud to be an American!   

One thing I noticed was the generous number of appearances of the Confederate flag.  This may be an appalling and unfair understanding - but that always suggested a particular stereotype to me...

What sort of stereotype would that be....  https://www.forwardprogressives.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/idiot-with-gun.jpg

McBryce.

Edit: Thanks Frozenfrogz. Strangely, the link worked the first time I tested it but stopped working after that? It was possibly in my cache.

[frozenfrogz]

What sort of stereotype would that be....  https://www.forwardprogressives.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/idiot-with-gun.jpg
McBryce.

Nothing to see here...

Edit: Fixed that for you.

[orion242]

What sort of stereotype would that be....  https://www.forwardprogressives.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/idiot-with-gun.jpg
McBryce.

Nothing to see here...

Edit: Fixed that for you.

LOL

Stop making fun of my family.....

When isis comes to town, you'll be glad they are there....as long as they are sober enough to aim in the right direction at least.

[dr_frost_dk]

A new batch of videos from batteroo, really lame and non-scientific "test's"/reviews.
BUT the last video before these i linked to last time have not gotten payed views for once.

[Hensingler]

Datasheet (of sorts) for their switcher chip on their web site

https://www.batteroo.com/technology-page/

Haven't noticed before so I assume it is a recent addition.

[digsys]

Nice find, and the specs looks pretty good !! It can be quite a useful chip. Pity they over-sold it !! History

[janekm]

Nice find, and the specs looks pretty good !! It can be quite a useful chip. Pity they over-sold it !! History

The specs are, indeed, great, but I'm wondering whether it really is useful... How many applications actually need a 1.3-1.6V power supply? A cheap microcontroller won't run off that (with a few exceptions specifically designed for single-battery operation). And if you need 1.8V, or 3.3V, you'd need two of these regulators and then another regulator for your final voltage... This is basically the best IC for Batteroo's application (and we've discussed to death whether that is a useful product) but I'm finding it a little hard to conceive of other use cases for it.

[Brumby]

They've got a working chip.  Can't be all that hard to respin with a different output voltage.

[EEVblog]

The specs are, indeed, great, but I'm wondering whether it really is useful... How many applications actually need a 1.3-1.6V power supply? A cheap microcontroller won't run off that (with a few exceptions specifically designed for single-battery operation). And if you need 1.8V, or 3.3V, you'd need two of these regulators and then another regulator for your final voltage... This is basically the best IC for Batteroo's application (and we've discussed to death whether that is a useful product) but I'm finding it a little hard to conceive of other use cases for it.

Same here.
Nice chip, but not much practical utility. If there was practical utility the regular makers would have had a chip for it long ago.

[EEVblog]

A new batch of videos from batteroo, really lame and non-scientific "test's"/reviews.
BUT the last video before these i linked to last time have not gotten payed views for once.

Wow, they spent some money on that 
Of course it's begging to be tested on that actual model GPS...

They clearly have a flush of new advertising money from their new investor.

[frozenfrogz]

Wow, they spent some money on that 

Maybe they just ordered from Amazon, made the video and returned the unit within the 30 day return policy xD

[Fungus]

They've got a working chip.  Can't be all that hard to respin with a different output voltage.

Yep, it does seem to combine a lot of nice features into a single package.

Are they trying to sell the chip now? It looks like it on that page.

[AndyC_772]

I tried to work out from the drawing who the manufacturer might be.

The first drawing labels it a "DC" package, which is a type designation used by Linear Technology, but they don't list a 2.0x1.5mm version so I don't think it's theirs (unless they've developed a custom package for this device as well as the die itself).

The second drawing refers to WDFN(XL08) and VDFN(YL08) variants, and I can't find any other reference to those package codes elsewhere.

Dave, you've got a powerful microscope now. Fancy having a go at de-capping one of these ICs and taking a peek?