EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[daveake]

Now for sale on Amazon Japan - https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01N4X1G9H

where it says:

We do not compensate for any damage using this product.

I'd like to see them try that in court after their device destroys someones expensive device.

(Edit) Just spotted this damning admission further down:

It may short-circuit and damage the equipment that uses the battery.

W T actual F ...

Dave

[amyk]

(Edit) Just spotted this damning admission further down:

It may short-circuit and damage the equipment that uses the battery.

W T actual F ...

Dave

That sentence is supposed to go with the one above it.

My attempt at a rather literal translation (to make it look more like a cheap Chinese product ):

Latest gadget created in America.
Batteroo (Batterizer) is a ultra low-profile sleeve shaped device installed on battery.
It can be inserted into the battery case of many machinery and tools using batteries.
There exists battery capacity not able to used sufficiently due to descent of voltage in second half of battery use.
Batteroo is the device in order to exhaust to the end the battery after the voltage descent and could only throw away until now.
When the voltage of the dry cell is regulated in the above case, it output the same electric current and when the voltage descends, a voltage up circuit maintains the prescribed voltage and shows battery performance until the last of the life.
Depending on the implement use, battery can maintain performance up to 3 ~ 6 times.

Please agree to the following instructions at the time of the purchase.
1. This product cannot be returned. After the purchase, it cannot be returned even if the size is not correct. It can attach to most battery and insert into many battery box, but not guarantee to support all battery and battery box.
2. The life span extension result of all battery and all devices using battery cannot be guaranteed. There may be case that the battery cannot show efficacy due to special characteristic of the device.
3. Please do not insert forcibly into battery box. The device and battery box may be damaged.
4. I do not compensate for any kind of damage in using this product. There is no compensation  without exception concerning damage to battery operated device.
5. When the size is not correct, please cancel use. Please confirm that there is not damage at the time of the arrival of the product.
6. Please do not use devices such as tweezers for insertion into battery box. There is possibility to cause short and damage battery operated device.
7. Exclusively for disposable batteries. When used for rechargeable batteries, it may reduce number of charge times and decrease battery life due to over discharge.

[amspire]

If the sleeve can short out a cell in your $1000 device, that could be very nasty. If you can show that the device is inherently unreliable, that is very hard for Batteroo to counter. I just think it is worth someone spending a few hours on this.

It's never "a few hours" 

To see if it is vulnerable to latch-up probably takes 10 minutes. Put reverse current through the output diode and apply a current limited 1.6V across the battery terminal. May have to try different diode currents. This situation can happen when inserting the last Batteroo in a device that was still switched on.

The other problem is when one batteroo shuts down with a flat battery with other still running Batteroos, the current goes through the reverse substrate diode and will heat up the chip. As I mentioned before, you can determine the chip temperature versus current by looking at the change in diode voltage - about -2.2mV/C. If the reverse current heats up the chip dangerously at 500mA or 1A, then there is a real problem.

Sure you could do a long study, but first just find out if there might be a problem.

[dr_frost_dk]

Just a few deleted comments for the record

[dr_frost_dk]

Well a few days have gone by, and this video has gone from less then 300 views to now 12.665 views, it however hasn't gotten any likes yet, but i guess it will have them soon to.
It is not normal to have total of 21 likes/dislikes (5 likes, 16 dislikes) to 12665 views


EDIT: Just after posting this it now has 17.922 views, so that's 5000+ views in less then 20 minuts, pretty good for a video that got less the 1000 views a day
EDIT: Now up to 20.341 and with the almost 3000 views since last count it now has 5 likes and 19 dislikes, so yes definitely payed views, and now it is actually about 20.000 views they bought on this video.

[Brumby]

Days old fish rotting in the sun stink less than this  ^  ^  ^  ^

[Blocco]

Farid has entered the Batteroo video competition...

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2PNUk4NKGKoEAJjsqlp1pAX1gj7Efoj

[FrankBuss]

I wonder if this is allowed according to their own rules:

https://www.batteroo.com/terms-conditions/?___store=default#contest

In case they change the webpage:

This Contest is also not open to employees or independent contractors, or immediate family members (spouses, domestic partners, parents, grandparents, siblings, children, and grandchildren) or those living in the same household of employees or independent contractors of any entity involved in any aspect of the Contest (including funding, judging or administration), and each of their respective parents, subsidiaries, affiliates, advisors, or advertising/promotion agencies.

PS: the text of the conditions is nearly an exact copy of the text here: http://www.thecheckdepot.com/contest/ Either they just copied it, or they were asking the same lawyer.

[EEVblog]

Farid has entered the Batteroo video competition...
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2PNUk4NKGKoEAJjsqlp1pAX1gj7Efoj

Hilarious!

[EEVblog]

So fiddly it needs a "best practices" guide!
https://www.batteroo.com/blog/batteroo-boost-best-practices.html

[KouenHasuki]

Kind of been following this off and on  always worth a laugh..

Wonder how fast my comment will be removed from this one which has some paid likes

https://youtu.be/JGqp8VyDHeo

if its lost I posted this:
"No it doesn't... All your doing is fooling the software which is reading the voltage of the cells and calculating a percentage on that and since your "batteroo" just bumps the voltage back to 1.4v or so the software thinks there is more power left than there is as instead of a slow loss in voltage your device will just make it drop like a rock out of nowhere!?"

[Delta]

So fiddly it needs a "best practices" guide!
https://www.batteroo.com/blog/batteroo-boost-best-practices.html

Well they did buy an award for Best Practices in the Field of Innovation Management Strategic Engineering Stakeholder Development or somesuch bollocks...

[Zbig]

So fiddly it needs a "best practices" guide!
https://www.batteroo.com/blog/batteroo-boost-best-practices.html

HEADLINE

I'm pretty sure they've even managed to get the "Lorem ipsum" wrong...

[FrankBuss]

So fiddly it needs a "best practices" guide!
https://www.batteroo.com/blog/batteroo-boost-best-practices.html

HEADLINE

I'm pretty sure they've even managed to get the "Lorem ipsum" wrong...

There is no right version, there are even generators which create such a text: http://www.lipsum.com
And they are still using the sleeves with the Batteriser text. But most importantly, they forgot to mention the need to put a plaster on your finger after the springs punctured it

[voltlog]

I left them a comment... I wonder how long before they block me from the channel & delete my comment.. 

[Cerebus]

So fiddly it needs a "best practices" guide!
https://www.batteroo.com/blog/batteroo-boost-best-practices.html

Well they did buy an award for Best Practices in the Field of Innovation Management Strategic Engineering Stakeholder Development or somesuch bollocks...

Oh, I thought the award was for "Unilateral orchidian height management"?

[FrankBuss]

I left them a comment... I wonder how long before they block me from the channel & delete my comment.. 

It is only visible to you, they changed the settings for comments to "approved". That's tricky if you don't know it, like shadow-banning.

[jancumps]

The Batteroo YouTube view counts are still increasing rapidly. What's also interesting are the clusters of moronic positive comments that have suddenly appeared and all at the same time (7 hours ago).

ok. Who posted the winner winner chicken dinner comment?

[voltlog]

It is only visible to you, they changed the settings for comments to "approved". That's tricky if you don't know it, like shadow-banning.

Wow.. indeed shadow-banning.. So I guess my comment will never see the light 
That should also mean they need to manually approve possibly hundreds of fake comments..

[FrankBuss]

Wow.. indeed shadow-banning.. So I guess my comment will never see the light 
That should also mean they need to manually approve possibly hundreds of fake comments..

I think there is a "select all", right beside the trash can

[drussell]

Wow.. indeed shadow-banning.. So I guess my comment will never see the light 
That should also mean they need to manually approve possibly hundreds of fake comments..

No, it will never show up for the public.  That's why they had to start buying positive comments and likes.

On the first few videos, such as the train and the flashlights, you could see the comment count going up but none ever actually showed up.  We can deduce, therefore, that every one of those real posted comments must have been a negative comment, probably with a dislike also.  They eventually deleted them all, you could watch the comment count being 12 one day (I was watching since I posted comments on each) then two the next, etc.  Not one ever saw the light of day.

The ease with which this kind of thing can be whitewashed and have all the negative aspects concealed these days is incredibly troubling.

Pretty sad. 

It seems to be far too common in many different fields these days to make claims which are unsubstantiated by specifications or facts.  The TRUTH and FACTS somehow become subjective and open to interpretation!?!! 

Apparently, you can just say whatever you want and call it undeniable truth.  e.g:

https://youtu.be/-JeVPnTD28M?t=0
https://youtu.be/lHusZDjesr4?t=108

I love the reaction to the total insanity and lack of truth in that second video.   

(P.S. I am just demonstrating that it isn't just Batteroo playing these games.)
(       Please don't get into politics here in this thread, use general chat.         )

[dr_frost_dk]

Another just deleted comment for the record

[StillTrying]

Surely YT can/will ban them.

[StillTrying]

http://www.onenotsoboredmommy.com/2017/02/batteroo-extend-your-battery-life-for.html

[Brumby]

http://www.onenotsoboredmommy.com/2017/02/batteroo-extend-your-battery-life-for.html

Oh dear.

That's a recipe for one rather upset bride on the day.

I hope someone has a stash of batteries in their car .... just in case.