EEVblog 1637- Solar Freakin Space Mirrors - Reflect Orbital DEBUNKED

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Stupid ideas like going from Europe to India through the Western Ocean? What a fool would do that, if every educated person knows the distance is 12 thousand nautical miles and it’s a certainly suicidal mission? And that idiot denies basic geographical knowledge, making Earth four times smaller than it is known to be. That stupid queen, who has fallen for this and invested money in the voyage.

Oh, all the stupid ideas like designing a calculating machine! C’mon, even students can do back of the envelope calculations to see laws of mechanics would never let it work. Not to mention that crazy guy, who — oh my god — claimed Earth crosses celestial spheres and somehow nobody notices that. What an idiot, hahaha! Put him under home arrest.

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[Bud]

Directing sun light to areas at night may have unknown yet effects on wild life. Just throwing in another dimension here.

[Xena E]

It is odd that they find money for such crazy ideas, that are so far off from getting a benefit. I could imagine finding a few stupids, who don't belief in math, but these usually don't have big money.

All true but stupid people with other people's money exist, they are elected.

[.RC.]

Directing sun light to areas at night may have unknown yet effects on wild life. Just throwing in another dimension here.

The wildlife would already have been killed off by the solar farm construction.

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FYI, the Reflect Orbital founder contacted me, he's a fan of the channel.
Basically used the excuse that viabiliy is based on thousands of them up to 100m in size and not the 10m ones proposed. And that street lighting is potential market big market.

And he urged me to re-run the numbers, I did, and it's still not viable. And I told him that even if they do get that prototype 10m array up, every potential customer is just going to laugh at the results.
And any potential street lighting marketing is doomed to failure if just a handful of residents complain.
I wished him the best though, and that I don't blame him for working on what I'm sure is a fun project using someone else's money.

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the military applications however, it might be possible to use some much cheaper night vision if you have some illumination, on moonless nights. a grid square illuminator.

this could level the playing field if you rent out light to poorly equipped armies on primitive colonized planets

the sci-fi applications are endless! They might not be able to make 7th generation tubes on a deep space colony far beyond the local group, but they can string out some mirrors in space.

I wonder what it would look like. Having a spaced based backup light for the megopolis of the future might be a real feature.

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[thm_w]

FYI, the Reflect Orbital founder contacted me, he's a fan of the channel.
Basically used the excuse that viabiliy is based on thousands of them up to 100m in size and not the 10m ones proposed. And that street lighting is potential market big market.

And he urged me to re-run the numbers, I did, and it's still not viable. And I told him that even if they do get that prototype 10m array up, every potential customer is just going to laugh at the results.
And any potential street lighting marketing is doomed to failure if just a handful of residents complain.
I wished him the best though, and that I don't blame him for working on what I'm sure is a fun project using someone else's money.

Go to Alaska or northern Sweden/Norway and ask those people if they enjoy 24/7 light. Its straight up torture. If he had said lighting for farming, might have made a small amount of sense. and instead of saying "re-run the numbers" he could have provided the calculations he's done.

Oh well...

the military applications however, it might be possible to use some much cheaper night vision if you have some illumination, on moonless nights. a grid square illuminator.

this could level the playing field if you rent out light to poorly equipped armies on primitive colonized planets

Actually true but would never get off the ground if you mentioned something like that to investors.
Even as is I wonder if they'd run into military security issues. The light can be theoretically focused down to a spot and burn targets right?

[coppercone2]

you could build it so it has a limited range of motion with a scafolding of some sort so it can't focus to dangerous power levels unless you heavily modify it

The more you need to focus it, the more expenisve and precise the control system needs to be and the more energy it needs to spend adjusting it etc

if you don't need it super accurate you can make it kinda floppy so when adjustment thrusters fire its not really a solid plane and its OK if its a bit warped and stuff. If you are illuminating several km, it does not really matter, if you need to focus to a few meters it would probobly need to be a 100x over engineered design.

https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/Icarus

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Even as is I wonder if they'd run into military security issues. The light can be theoretically focused down to a spot and burn targets right?

That would requrie an extreme level of collimation an focussing which is not possible with their mylar foil design. And is probably not possible at all from orbit?

[coppercone2]

it could also be a agricultural tool on other planets that are more distant from stars because theoretically its more reliable then reflectors that can be blown down by wind or something

does green house corn grow on mars?

Its kind of guaranteed your crop would not die because of a generator failure or fuel shortage...


It seems like something that can be relatively scrounged, without too much precise mechanics and advanced stuff lol, relatively speaking. and you can turn it off if your space peons stop paying taxes. It also makes farm land theft hard, because if someone takes your bread basket, if you control space you can turn off the growing capabilities, meaning the belligerents can't incrementally seize outlying territory, or at least if they do, they will not gain anything from it to bolster their earnings. This reduces the likely hood of small annexings, and it leaves diplomatic channels open because its non violent and non expensive and 100% possible to restore   

[quince]

I wished him the best though, and that I don't blame him for working on what I'm sure is a fun project using someone else's money.

It's a bit telling that he chose to reach out; a more experienced founder would have kept his mouth shut knowing he (a) can't win the argument on a technical basis & (b) doesn't have enough money to change your mind or get you to delete the video.

He's personally liable for lying to investors if he agrees with you that the business isn't viable. Not a good look for a young founder. Obviously any public opinion he shares requires he claim the company is viable, even if he personally knows it isn't.

Their seed round was last year and they're currently at 7. That means the seed funding round was probably about $1M for a valuation around $5 million. 1 year x 7x employees x $70k LA engineering salary x factor of 2 for overhead, materials, etc.

It's a relatively low risk bet, for the investors, that this team will figure out something unrelated that one of their other portfolio companies can use. What sucks is that nobody actually expects Reflect Orbital to succeed. Their work won't go to waste, but their equity is destined to be worthless.

If they fail to raise another funding round or get acquihired, their engineers will likely end up at Blue Origin or SpaceX working on adjacent topics: satellite power systems, communication links, you name it.

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Thunderf00t!

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by award winning crime reporter "Tony Pope"

[Haenk]

Plus one; bonus points for being late to the game:

https://virtussolis.space/

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Plus one; bonus points for being late to the game:
https://virtussolis.space/

What the actual f...

[Xena E]

VerstusSolis:
They have already managed to gain funding of £353,000 from the British Government because of their partnership with Bristol University.
https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2023/june/space-solar-project.html

Comeon! WTF! They've convinced a fucking University that some cartoon frigging spaceship can provide 'energy security'.

What are these shitheads at Bristol U smoking, what convinced them it was a good idea? Just because they got some Morgan Freeman soundalike to do their cartoon voice over maybe 

[coppice]

VerstusSolis:
They have already managed to gain funding of £353,000 from the British Government because of their partnership with Bristol University.
https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2023/june/space-solar-project.html

Comeon! WTF! They've convinced a fucking University that some cartoon frigging spaceship can provide 'energy security'.

What are these shitheads at Bristol U smoking, what convinced them it was a good idea? Just because they got some Morgan Freeman soundalike to do their cartoon voice over maybe 

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It looks like the people at Bristol U are doing something reasonable. See https://lyceanem.com . Applying this to power from space is where it gets iffy.

[Xena E]

VerstusSolis:
They have already managed to gain funding of £353,000 from the British Government because of their partnership with Bristol University.
https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2023/june/space-solar-project.html

Comeon! WTF! They've convinced a fucking University that some cartoon frigging spaceship can provide 'energy security'.

What are these shitheads at Bristol U smoking, what convinced them it was a good idea? Just because they got some Morgan Freeman soundalike to do their cartoon voice over maybe 

(Attachment Link)

It looks like the people at Bristol U are doing something reasonable. See https://lyceanem.com . Applying this to power from space is where it gets iffy.

You're known by the company you keep, they proudly announce VirtusSolis as being an industry partner.

I'll have to see if some acquaintances of mine are still there ... I'll bet they're all      about it if they know.

[coppice]

VerstusSolis:
They have already managed to gain funding of £353,000 from the British Government because of their partnership with Bristol University.
https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2023/june/space-solar-project.html

Comeon! WTF! They've convinced a fucking University that some cartoon frigging spaceship can provide 'energy security'.

What are these shitheads at Bristol U smoking, what convinced them it was a good idea? Just because they got some Morgan Freeman soundalike to do their cartoon voice over maybe 

(Attachment Link)

It looks like the people at Bristol U are doing something reasonable. See https://lyceanem.com . Applying this to power from space is where it gets iffy.

You're known by the company you keep, they proudly announce VirtusSolis as being an industry partner.

I'll have to see if some acquaintances of mine are still there ... I'll bet they're all      about it if they know.

Notices like that get put out by publicity firms. They are unfiltered. Someone finances a useful tool from Bristol, they bleet about it. Someone uses the tool for something stupid, they bleet about it. I wonder if the actual technical people at Bristol have any idea about the existence of this announcement?

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VerstusSolis:
They have already managed to gain funding of £353,000 from the British Government because of their partnership with Bristol University.
https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2023/june/space-solar-project.html

Comeon! WTF! They've convinced a fucking University that some cartoon frigging spaceship can provide 'energy security'.

What are these shitheads at Bristol U smoking, what convinced them it was a good idea? Just because they got some Morgan Freeman soundalike to do their cartoon voice over maybe 

Bristol University isn't new to the EEVblog:

[Xena E]

VerstusSolis:
They have already managed to gain funding of £353,000 from the British Government because of their partnership with Bristol University.
https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2023/june/space-solar-project.html

Comeon! WTF! They've convinced a fucking University that some cartoon frigging spaceship can provide 'energy security'.

What are these shitheads at Bristol U smoking, what convinced them it was a good idea? Just because they got some Morgan Freeman soundalike to do their cartoon voice over maybe 

(Attachment Link)

It looks like the people at Bristol U are doing something reasonable. See https://lyceanem.com . Applying this to power from space is where it gets iffy.

You're known by the company you keep, they proudly announce VirtusSolis as being an industry partner.

I'll have to see if some acquaintances of mine are still there ... I'll bet they're all      about it if they know.

Notices like that get put out by publicity firms. They are unfiltered. Someone finances a useful tool from Bristol, they bleet about it. Someone uses the tool for something stupid, they bleet about it. I wonder if the actual technical people at Bristol have any idea about the existence of this announcement?

It's straight off the official university website and they were awarded the public money, they are proud partners, read the link:

It quotes Dr Tim Pelham, directly:

Dr Timothy Pelham, academic principle investigator, explained: “The concept depends upon the use of gigascale antenna arrays capable of delivering over 2GW of power from space onto similar gigascale antenna arrays either at sea or on the ground..."

Here are his details, can also be found on the official university website:

https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/en/persons/timothy-pelham

Regards,
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[Xena E]

Bristol University isn't new to the EEVblog:

Perhaps they could concentrate on developing an energy harvesting wristband?

[coppice]

It's straight off the official university website and they were awarded the public money, they are proud partners, read the link:

It quotes Dr Tim Pelham, directly:

Dr Timothy Pelham, academic principle investigator, explained: “The concept depends upon the use of gigascale antenna arrays capable of delivering over 2GW of power from space onto similar gigascale antenna arrays either at sea or on the ground..."

Here are his details, can also be found on the official university website:

https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/en/persons/timothy-pelham

You've never had publicity people claiming you said things you never said? You need to get out, I mean slandered, more. People need to toe the line if they want to survive. Until I hear people freely talking in person I will hold judgement on them.

[Xena E]

It's straight off the official university website and they were awarded the public money, they are proud partners, read the link:

It quotes Dr Tim Pelham, directly:

Dr Timothy Pelham, academic principle investigator, explained: “The concept depends upon the use of gigascale antenna arrays capable of delivering over 2GW of power from space onto similar gigascale antenna arrays either at sea or on the ground..."

Here are his details, can also be found on the official university website:

https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/en/persons/timothy-pelham

You've never had publicity people claiming you said things you never said? You need to get out, I mean slandered, more. People need to toe the line if they want to survive. Until I hear people freely talking in person I will hold judgement on them.

Slandered? Yes I have.

However the problem is that there's no deniability if you are asked to work on a feasibility study for something that is plainly beyond the laws of physics, and or economics, and you are clearly qualified to understand that, but because your organisation can realise a nice fat piece of public funding to 'find out' that it's not practical, do you validate it by doing the research?

Is it legal? I don't know. Is it moral? Definitely not.

Speaking generally, if an organisation is corrupt, then it's time to get out: toeing the line within an organisation is all very well if it doesn't harm your health, integrity, or liberty. A lot of people find themselves on the wrong side of the law by 'toeing the line'.

As for judging people then I'll repeat "by association" they're happy to do the publicity.

Are you in a position to say that the university press release was inaccurate? If so why give it such a new science spin? The money was in the bag, promoting it just makes themselves look like complete mutts.

I just wish I could withhold income tax based on money that is wasted on and defrauded by this kind of wankery.

Regards
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