EEVblog #1099- BattBump - Dumbest Kickstarter Ever!

[EEVblog]

Fair enough. My question was going to be whether the privacy complaint must be made by the person involved, and what steps does youtube take to reasonably ascertain the identity of someone making a complaint.

I don't know. But I have to assume it's legit, and a lot of stuff points toward it being legit.
You don't even have to go far beyond Occam's razor to see that.
In any case it doesn't matter, I *have* to treat it as legit and act accordingly.

[X]

Dave, has there been a recent cease and desist order or similar legal threat against this forum or site? I posted a link to an archived copy of a page (in response to a post by erkko) and I just noticed that my post as well as erkko's original links are now gone.

Where's Barbara Streisand when you need her? 

[julianhigginson]

You do realise the irony that your continued elaborate posts in this thread help to keep the thread at the top of the new posts list and encourage others to continue to respond, right?
Instead of the thread naturally dying away into a obscurity as it inevitably will, as I'm sure you'd love, you keep it going, well done.

yeah, I'm done here.

All my points still stand, and you've explained yourself perfectly.

You just got though preaching about how people here are conflating things, yet you come out with the biggest doozy of them all.
Give it up.

I'm not conflating that guy or his activity with anything or anyone on here. That would be beyond ridiculous, even for this thread.
Actually it's the opposite - it's irrelevant to the discussion for any purpose but perspective.

[EEVblog]

Dave, has there been a recent cease and desist order or similar legal threat against this forum or site?

No.
PM sent.

[alxpo]

Meanwhile, another online service successfully defended its right to publish negative statements of users.

https://www.yelpblog.com/2018/07/a-case-for-the-internet-hassell-v-bird

"With this decision, online publishers in California can be assured that they cannot be lawfully forced to remove third-party speech through enterprising abuses of the legal system" - it sounds promising.

[Fungus]

Who says "Fungus" isn't my real, legally registered, name?

I don't care what your name is.

Damn, I was ready to take your money.

I find the joy and eagerness you display in piling onto someone you don't even know, just following the lead of someone else, with no critical thought, to be very disturbing.  And I wonder what hurt you to make you like this, and I feel sad for you. And I wonder if rather than taking your issues out on strangers from behind the comfortable anonymity of a forum account that's not linked to you personally in any way at all, you might be better served by talking to a professional about your suffering, and work with them to make it better.

Thanks for caring.

Lets back up and think logically for a few paragraphs here... all we have on this (probably) real stranger people here are happily trying to destroy, is these things.

1) they chose to be the public face of a kickstarter that was stupidly thought out.

I don't think it was stupidity any more then uBeam is stupidity or Batteroo was stupidity.

What's your explanation for the paid dislikes? How does that fit in your head?

IIRC I only started eagerly piling onto the damsel after the paid dislikes appeared. I guess you missed that part (too busy polishing your armor?)

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

Supporters were only going to get stickers and a tshirt. That the app ("shell") was not going to work was also written there somewhere, so that much was clear, as clear as mud => strictly speaking it wasn't a scam.

[Fungus]

Supporters were only going to get stickers and a tshirt. That the app was not going to work was also written there somewhere, so that much was clear, as clear as mud => strictly speaking it wasn't a scam.

True, but why did they shut it down and try to disappear?

Instead of owning it and pointing to the t-shirts (which is what they should have done) they went all crazy and started buying dislikes, etc.

Try to see it for what it is: It went from fun to funny at 1,000,000 m/sec.

I don't believe in political correctness, you got me there.

[Fungus]

The Linkedin link x on her website x goes to a page for 'x', also a series producer from Sydney, Australia.

Doxing her is not nice anyway.

Who doxxed her? All that info was linked to from her own Kickstarter campaign.

Even Youtube have given Dave the "not guilty" verdict for that.

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

True, but why did they shut it down and try to disappear?

A spoiled brat: Dave ruined her plan to pocket thirty grand selling stickers.

[EEVblog]

Blog article on the Dislikes
https://techstickles.wordpress.com/2018/07/04/the-rise-of-paid-likes-and-dislikes/

[EEVblog]

That the app ("shell") was not going to work was also written there somewhere

It was not written in the original campaign when it was released. It was then added as an update.
Only after the video came out did the campaign text change to read that, in the Risks section at that. And even then it likely wouldn't have been obvious to Joe Average what they actually meant.

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

It was not written in the original campaign when it was released. It was then added as an update.
Only after the video came out did the campaign text change to read that, in the Risks section at that. And even then it likely wouldn't have been obvious to Joe Average what they actually meant.

I believe it was there:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1749849235/battbump-an-app-to-share-and-receive-phone-battery?lang=en#h:the-technology

The current funding will be used to have the shell of the app developed, ready for the technology to be integrated when and if it is available. The video and creative stills are a storyboard to give an idea of how the app and technology would work together once it is available and once it is integrated alongside BattBump

As clear as mud 

Edit: Ignore, Dave is right, that wasn't there at the beginning: http://archive.is/JnjpB

The transfer of the battery between smart phones occurs via Near-Field Communication (NFC). This technology is currently available and the app utilises this technology

 

[ebastler]

Who says "Fungus" isn't my real, legally registered, name?

Hmm, that might explain the tone of many of your posts. 

Here, let me give you a hug, man...
It's a mean old world...

[StillTrying]

Even without the dislikes, I still think there's been plenty of oddities on this BB KSer.
http://archive.is/JnjpB

[Kean]

It was not written in the original campaign when it was released. It was then added as an update.
Only after the video came out did the campaign text change to read that, in the Risks section at that. And even then it likely wouldn't have been obvious to Joe Average what they actually meant.

I believe it was there:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1749849235/battbump-an-app-to-share-and-receive-phone-battery?lang=en#h:the-technology

The current funding will be used to have the shell of the app developed, ready for the technology to be integrated when and if it is available. The video and creative stills are a storyboard to give an idea of how the app and technology would work together once it is available and once it is integrated alongside BattBump

As clear as mud 

That section labelled "The Technology" was added later after all the publicity, along with the one and only update.
When I backed it for $1 and left a comment warning potential backers it looked like this: http://archive.is/OLMJ5

[Fungus]

Just for posterity:

[timelessbeing]

Cat clark doesn't exist.

And obviously you are ready to prove it to us, dont you.

Can you prove otherwise?

(By the way, your sentence doesn't make any sense)

[Brumby]

True, but why did they shut it down and try to disappear?

A spoiled brat: Dave ruined her plan to pocket thirty grand selling stickers.

Possibly.  However, another alternative is that she was ignorant of the details, embarrassed when the truth came to light and naive to think she could remove the evidence.

[Brumby]

The Linkedin link x on her website x goes to a page for 'x', also a series producer from Sydney, Australia.

Doxing her is not nice anyway.

Who doxxed her? All that info was linked to from her own Kickstarter campaign.

Even Youtube have given Dave the "not guilty" verdict for that.

Precisely.  How can anyone be accused of doxing someone by including material they, themselves published in direct relation to, and linked with, the campaign?


People should understand exactly what the accusation is that they are contemplating before they start expressing them.

[justanothercanuck]

I just wanted to throw this out there...  after watching blab 48, youtube recommended I watch a handful of videos of Russian origin.  When I told youtube I wasn't interested it said they were explicitly recommended to me for watching blab 48. 

Sadly I didn't think to take a screenshot of it.  I really should have, because I don't understand the language, so it would make no sense for them to recommend I watch those videos.  Something tells me youtube isn't just being used as a downvote-spamming tool. 

[Fungus]

I just wanted to throw this out there...  after watching blab 48, youtube recommended I watch a handful of videos of Russian origin.  When I told youtube I wasn't interested it said they were explicitly recommended to me for watching blab 48. 

Sadly I didn't think to take a screenshot of it.  I really should have, because I don't understand the language, so it would make no sense for them to recommend I watch those videos.  Something tells me youtube isn't just being used as a downvote-spamming tool. 

A lot of Russians interact with a video you just watched, Youtube recommends other videos that they were watching (or downvoting) at the time. Nothing mysterious there, just a not-very-smart algorithm.

[jonovid]

the privacy complaint is key ...to this.  hell has no fury, like a woman scorn'd . my guess is the bump kickstarter was by a feminist.
with A lack of scientific rigor! your a man and so am I.  go figure. (research new age feminist revolution & war on masculinity ) as to why this type of Infiltration is happening to forums like this! 

[Fungus]

Possibly.  However, another alternative is that she was ignorant of the details, embarrassed when the truth came to light and naive to think she could remove the evidence.

She created a scam to take people's money, the Internet called her on it.

What should we do? Keep quiet to avoid hurting her feelings?

Some people here seem to think so.   

[mikerj]

1) they chose to be the public face of a kickstarter that was stupidly thought out. A kickstarter showing all the hallmarks of a lean startup approach to a solution that the people running it were *so* technically incompetent about, they didn't know where to even start to look for fundamental project killers before launch. (which is why the campaign was so hilarious and deserving of ridicule)

2) When questioned about tech details, the person answered, showing a complete lack of understanding of the issues involved. Just like you'd expect. But then the project started to change a bit. whatever final direction that change might have finally taken is now unknown, because pretty much immediately after this, they were attacked and the situation changed.

3) When attacked, and discovering  that the attack wasn't just on the startup idea, but also on their own junior professional reputation, they've done a couple of dumb things which are completely in line with their already obvious technical naivety. They have not launched sophisticated legal attacks or technical attacks (or even illegal attacks) on Dave or this website.  Like you'd expect from an actual real criminal with any resources behind them.

I'd like to understand why you believe this Kickstarter was created purely by stupidity rather than an attempt to part people with their money, as so many of these schemes have done in the past?

Would you be leaping to the perpetrators defence if it wasn't a woman?  Somehow I doubt it.