changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide

[straycat]

Thank you MudMan,i have found it, do you just change "1001" as mine is "e501 00a8 6108 0805 1009 6089 e67d 0050".any help would be greatfull.

[Gizmo]

Hi guys. I spotted this in the blog..........Assuming that you're patching a 1052 model, the "patch byte" should be:

100 Mhz = 01
50 Mhz = 09
150 MHz = 29

other options present in the firmware:
25 MHz = 21
40 MHz = 19
60 MHz = 11
70 MHz = 31

Can anyone tell me if this is right?. Gizmo has the 150Mhz DS1152E = 5.
Any ideas?. thanks.

I just re-read this, I hadn't registered "patch byte" in my mind. The opcode and the constant dont match, so while the number checked against in the actual firmware is 5, the patch looks like its 29 from the above.

Sorry for the confusion.

So the answer for the above post is yes, the patch should be 1001 for 100Mhz, 1029 for 150Mhz, etc.

[centon1]

Absolutely brilliant.

By far the simplest upgrade/update I've ever come across.

You truly walk among giants and your efforts are truly appreciated.

Now if you happen to have one for the DS2072A... 

[miguelvp]

Absolutely brilliant.

By far the simplest upgrade/update I've ever come across.

You truly walk among giants and your efforts are truly appreciated.

Now if you happen to have one for the DS2072A... 

Search the test equipment, sniffing the rigol and DS2000. just go to the main forum and search DS2072A you'll find what you need

Edit: here are some results:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/ds2000a-upgrade-utility/

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sniffing-the-rigol's-internal-i2c-bus/

2nd one has more info but it has a lot of pages

[straycat]

Hi guys. I spotted this in the blog..........Assuming that you're patching a 1052 model, the "patch byte" should be:

100 Mhz = 01
50 Mhz = 09
150 MHz = 29

other options present in the firmware:
25 MHz = 21
40 MHz = 19
60 MHz = 11
70 MHz = 31

Can anyone tell me if this is right?. Gizmo has the 150Mhz DS1152E = 5.
Any ideas?. thanks.

I just re-read this, I hadn't registered "patch byte" in my mind. The opcode and the constant dont match, so while the number checked against in the actual firmware is 5, the patch looks like its 29 from the above.

Sorry for the confusion.

So the answer for the above post is yes, the patch should be 1001 for 100Mhz, 1029 for 150Mhz, etc.

Thank you gizmo for checking it out.

[Zone1]

I have a DS1074Z, Software version 00.02.03.SP5,   Does this software hack work the same?   

at the site http://riglol.3owl.com   I entered the Serial#  and it gave me a private key for DSFR (all options) and a script prompt number.   I'm not sure what you do with this or how to enter the info.

[tv84]

I just re-read this, I hadn't registered "patch byte" in my mind. The opcode and the constant dont match, so while the number checked against in the actual firmware is 5, the patch looks like its 29 from the above.

Sorry for the confusion.

So the answer for the above post is yes, the patch should be 1001 for 100Mhz, 1029 for 150Mhz, etc.

Thank you gizmo for checking it out.

Now that gizmo has confirmed the info, remember that his patching method assumes that you didn't change the scope model string, i.e., it still is ***1052*. The patch opcodes for other scope strings are different.

[straycat]

Has anyone truly tested the mod for 150mhz? or is the DS1052E to a DS1152E just not worth it?. I have two DS1052E,one has been set to DS1152E via usb for a while now,but without the test gear to check it not sure is it worth just going to 100mhz. Any advice would be great.

[AndersAnd]

I have a DS1074Z, Software version 00.02.03.SP5,   Does this software hack work the same?   

at the site http://riglol.3owl.com   I entered the Serial#  and it gave me a private key for DSFR (all options) and a script prompt number.   I'm not sure what you do with this or how to enter the info.

Wrong topic. This topic is about the old DS1000E and DS1000D series scopes only.
For the new DS1000Z series scopes, read this very long topic instead: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sniffing-the-rigol%27s-internal-i2c-bus/

[julius79]

Hi there , i just bought the rigol ds1052e Europe version , and need help to upgrade to 100MHz , the software version is 00.04.01 , can someone guide me , i read a lot of stuff here , but i got confused , so much info , found out the link http://jahansen.com/rigol/DS1000EUpdate.00.04.01.00.02.zip should work but need confirmation from you guys .Thanks.

[Gizmo]

Here we go, latest firmware update (00.04.01.00.02) with 100Mhz mod.

CRC32: 4EF27EF4
MD5: b3be022a8890c7448ed68a189c1071b1

https://anonfiles.com/file/be1d042d3757bd9073335a09554ccea3

And kindly also hosted more permanently here:

http://jahansen.com/rigol/DS1000EUpdate.00.04.01.00.02.zip

Instructions as before --

Copy the DS1000EUpdate.RGL file from the zip onto a memory stick, put it in the scope, and select OK when it asks if you want to update the firmware. It's that simple.

For your peace of mind, check the file's MD5 against the above number when it's on your memory stick to ensure it's correct before flashing and always do "eject" on the drive if using windows before pulling out the stick. The scope doesn't bother with any data integrity checking, which is a bit of a shame, so if the file is corrupted at all, you will most likely brick the scope.

Gizmo

[julius79]

Thx , working good .

[catnip]

I upgraded my DS1052E to a DS1102E a couple of years ago using the "original" downgrade/upgrade method.  Today, the scope developed a triggering problem that appears to be HW related.  I called Rigol Tech Support and they agree.  They asked that I try the latest FW 00.04.01.00.02 before send it back for repair.  The FW update went fine but did not resolve the trigger problem.  The scope still ID's as a DS1102E and the minimum horizontal sweep rate is 2.0 nS.  Is there a (hopefully) simple way to change the model number back to DS1052E for warranty repair purposes?  Thanks!
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catnip

[Aigars]

may rigol burn out complytly need find a new scope. hm, maby samone seling sam good use scop?

[straycat]

CATNIP....Yes the way i did it was to change fw 00.04.01.00.02 by changing the header to 00.04.00.00.01, install it,then using the fw 4.0 and the 4.0 to 2.0 then using the usb method to change model no. Once done install fw 00.04.01.00.02  . Hope this help.

[apis]

I finally got around to upgrading and it worked perfectly, thanks Gizmo and everyone else who's been working on this!

Has anyone tried 150 MHz yet (same firmware with "patch byte" 29)?

[DrTune]

Me too - latest 1052E fresh from factory today; came with 00.04.01.00.02 fw, h/w version 58
Stuck in USB stick, reflashed, now have 2ns timebase. Tasty awesomeness.

[ifndef]

Hi all,

I bought my DS1052E 2 years ago (release 2.5 SP2 HW 58, still no 100MHz hack) and today I notice a floor noise at 2mV/div-5ns never seen before. I remember a flat track with some spikes instead of this noise. A related FFT reports peaks at 100MHz, 200MHz, 300MHz...

Please, someone could help me with some image in the same setting for reference?

I have got these snapshots without any probe connected, 30 min after the switch-on  up and after a calibration. The second image has the persistency ON.
I have the same noise with the same amplitude on both channels, also with grounded probe.

Thanks!!!

[saturation]

That looks right, ~ < 0.5mVpp. 

Since the Rigol has 8 bit ADC the SNR is no better than -50dB and typically less.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/suggestions/a-competitor-for-the-rigol/msg44191/#msg44191

So, noise in that range is as good as it gets.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/buying-another-dso/msg177577/#msg177577

[The_PCB_Guy]

Hi guys,

Quick question regarding the 1052 vs 1102:

The 1052's ADCs are already overclocked by 10MHz (they are spec'd at 40MHz), so if the hardware is identical as Dave suggested it was, does that mean the 1102's ADCs are overclocked by 60MHz?

Thanks very much for this thread. I just purchases a 1052 and plan to try the firmware upgrade.

Cheers,
Matt

[ifndef]

@saturation

Thanks for your support! Evidently the noise was always there but I had not seen...

I sent some SCPI commands using python and myvisa.py via USB. This library uses both CR LF as string terminator and I was afraid some corruption of calibration data, as per those transmitted by the serial in some hack, but probably via USB is different.
Thanks again! 

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[saturation]

IIRC the ADC are 40MHz types overclocked to 100MHz and there are 10 ADCs, 2 per chip, 5 chips on the board.  They are interleaved for a total of 1Gs/s, for one channel.  In 2 channel mode each channel is sampled at 500Ms/s. 

The main difference between both scopes is the firmware that removes the low pass filter on the channels and increases the horizontal sweep speed to 2ns/div.

Hi guys,

Quick question regarding the 1052 vs 1102:

The 1052's ADCs are already overclocked by 10MHz (they are spec'd at 40MHz), so if the hardware is identical as Dave suggested it was, does that mean the 1102's ADCs are overclocked by 60MHz?

Thanks very much for this thread. I just purchases a 1052 and plan to try the firmware upgrade.

Cheers,
Matt

@ ifndef: you're welcome, enjoy.

[The_PCB_Guy]

Does the flash drive have to be specially formatted before the RGL file is loaded onto it? Also, is there a special process to burn the file to the flash drive, or is it as simple as drag-and-drop?

Thanks for the insight--my scope just arrived and I'm going to try the upgrade.

Regards,
Matt

[ifndef]

Does the flash drive have to be specially formatted before the RGL file is loaded onto it? Also, is there a special process to burn the file to the flash drive, or is it as simple as drag-and-drop?

I used a flash drive formatted as FAT32.

I suggest you the following steps...
1- format the flash drive as FAT32;
2- to check the compatibility of the flash drive, insert it into USB socket of scope WITHOUT upgrade file, and try to save some tracks;
3- compute the md5 checksum of upgrade file on your PC;
4- copy (e.g. drag-and-drop) the upgrade on the flash drive; leave only the FW file in the flash drive;
5- compute the md5 checksum of upgrade file on the flash drive still into your PC;
6- eject the flash drive, re-insert it again in the PC (in a other PC is better) and compute again the md5 checksum. This last md5 checksum must be the same of the steps 3 and 5;
7- eject the flash drive and insert it into USB of scope;
8- at prompt 'Upgrade" chose OK and wait.. uhmm...  2-3 minutes. Don't touch the flash drive, of course!

Protects the power supply of scope by UPS, if any! 

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[The_PCB_Guy]

Thanks very much!

I did that exact process earlier and it seems to have worked--I now have the 2nS timebase setting, which I expect means the scope has been upgraded to 100MHz bandwidth.

Model number still shows up as DS1052E in the system info though. Is this normal? I know the hack Dave did (completely different process, I know) changed the model number as well as the features.

Thanks,
Matt