EEVblog #1136 - Banksy Artwork Shredder - Part 2 (Still Trolling!)

[Mr. Scram]

I'm as much an art expert as any other art expert, they're all full of shit anyway, the sort of people who can't get enough of looking down their nose at people and smelling their own farts. Art is very subjective, and it's completely bizarre how seriously some people take it.

Thanks for proving ebastler's point.

[james_s]

I'm as much an art expert as any other art expert, they're all full of shit anyway, the sort of people who can't get enough of looking down their nose at people and smelling their own farts. Art is very subjective, and it's completely bizarre how seriously some people take it.

Thanks for proving ebastler's point.

And what point was that? Is he one of those art snobs who thinks he knows more than others?

[james_s]

Additionally, graffiti is not art, it is vandalism plain and simple, a ubiquitous blight on the urban landscape. I'd love to see graffiti tagging made a felony. First offense should get a minimum of 1,000 hours of community service cleaning up graffiti. It costs individuals and businesses huge amounts of money and effort to clean up and makes cities everywhere look like garbage.

[ebastler]

I'm as much an art expert as any other art expert, they're all full of shit anyway, the sort of people who can't get enough of looking down their nose at people and smelling their own farts. Art is very subjective, and it's completely bizarre how seriously some people take it.

Thanks for proving ebastler's point.

And what point was that? Is he one of those art snobs who thinks he knows more than others?

Thanks for your interest. My point was mainly that your post was lacking any original thought on the matter.

If you take a step back, you might find that Banksy is taking a rather playful approach at his art; he enjoys blurring the boundaries between "art" and "non-art", and has an ambivalent view of the art market and art critics, to say the least. Your rants about "art experts" and people taking art overly serious seem to miss that.

[FrankBuss]

80M : https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/barnett-newman-1905-1970-black-fire-i-5792532-details.aspx

40M : http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2013/may-2013-contemporary-evening-n08991/lot.17.esthl.html

20M : http://artist.christies.com/Robert-Ryman--42608.aspx

Right, the $80M painting is a bit overpriced, but the $40M is totally worth the money. Just the size is massive: 102 x 120 in. (259.1 x 304.8 cm), so the canvas and oil paint itself could be easily worth 0.001% of the price. And read the catalogue note of the painting, this clearly explains the price:

Onement VI by Barnett Newman overwhelms and seduces the viewer with the totality of its sensual, cascading washes of vibrant blue coexisting with Newman’s vertical "Sign" of the human presence, his iconic and revolutionary "zip."  As a portal to the sublime, the limitless realm of sumptuous color envelops the viewer and brings life to Newman’s assertion that his monumental canvases be experienced up close rather than from a distance.  The demarcation of the zip, in its placement, form and complementary hue of light blue, serves both a temporal and spatial purpose in the expansive and personalized experience of this masterpiece of Newman’s aesthetic. By far the most momentous in scale of the six paintings of the Onement series.

[Fungus]

But I didn't know that they got that much expensive, like half a billion dollar for the most expensive painting in the world.

It's pocket change if you're the Abu Dhabi Department of Culture.

[Fungus]

art that I could paint in 10 minutes...

...but didn't.

(and that's the point)

[razberik]

Additionally, graffiti is not art, it is vandalism plain and simple, a ubiquitous blight on the urban landscape.

An actual story happened: A man bought a garage in lines of many garages. All garages were plain-colored and this man painted his own garage with graffiti. Then somebody considered this mans property was damaged and he repainted his garage to previous color. The garage owner sued unknown vandal for damaging his property.

[Brumby]

From what I've understood of all the technical details, I too think he's still trolling. Nothing suprising though. Am I going too far if I say that he's been trolling with his "art" all along?

It has been my observation that artists find discussion about their works a key objective - so while we are crawling through the engineering involved, I'm sure he is happy to give us material to run with.

It is also this attention that will have increased the value.  Not every one has a piece from a well known artist that has been shredded - and the more it's talked about, the greater the interest ...

[Peabody]

It has been my observation that artists find discussion about their works a key objective - so while we are crawling through the engineering involved, I'm sure he is happy to give us material to run with.

It is also this attention that will have increased the value.  Not every one has a piece from a well known artist that has been shredded - and the more it's talked about, the greater the interest ...

Don't forget - it was shredded by the artist himself, using a design he created.  None of this shredded-by-assistant rubbish.  So not only is the half-shredded print worth a fortune, but I bet the shredding mechanism itself would sell separately for half a million at least.  And who knows what the remote would go for.

The fine art market is so profoundly perverted that the buyer will no doubt make a fortune on the shredded work.  This "work of art" is worth more destroyed than it was when still intact.

[Bud]

If he will leave poop by his artwork, the poop will be carefully picked and sold on auctions for double the price of the artwork. Or most likely his poop will be declared artwork.

[Fungus]

The fine art market is so profoundly perverted that this "work of art" is worth more destroyed than it was when still intact.

Why is that "perverted"?

The whole point of owning a painting instead of a inkjet printed copy is that there's only one, that yours is unique and therefore better.

Lots of people have got a copy of this painting. There's only one that was shredded in public by Banksy so this one is obviously worth more than the others.

[snoopy]

Aussies will be able to relate to this

[SiliconWizard]

From what I've understood of all the technical details, I too think he's still trolling. Nothing suprising though. Am I going too far if I say that he's been trolling with his "art" all along?

It has been my observation that artists find discussion about their works a key objective - so while we are crawling through the engineering involved, I'm sure he is happy to give us material to run with.

It is also this attention that will have increased the value.  Not every one has a piece from a well known artist that has been shredded - and the more it's talked about, the greater the interest ...

This is the whole point of this "modern art" trend.
The attention an artist can get. Not the artefacts themselves, which frankly don't even matter most of the time.
Some artists even have released paintings that were just blank, off-the-shelf canvas. No kidding. This is a nice demonstration of this. Obviously not everyone is able to pull that off. The "art" doesn't lie in the artefacts anymore in that case, but in the artist's self-marketing skills. Whether "art" is the right word for this is up for debate, but it's certainly not accessible to just anybody. We could note that this is an almost complete 180° turn compared to past "conventional" art, the artists of which were often completely broke, mostly unknown and died without any kind of recognition.

[Brumby]

Aussies will be able to relate to this

Banksy has introduced a whole new class of meme...

[Fungus]

art that I could paint in 10 minutes...

...but didn't.

http://smbc-comics.com/comic/modern-art-2