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What is the purpose of D1 Diode in the Cap Dropper Circuit here
« on: December 14, 2021, 11:47:48 pm »
Can anyone please let me know what is the purpose of Diode D1 in the Cap dropper circuit
 

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Re: What is the purpose of D1 Diode in the Cap Dropper Circuit here
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2021, 11:55:28 pm »
It's a half wave rectifier, it's needed in order to create a net positive voltage on the output.
 

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Re: What is the purpose of D1 Diode in the Cap Dropper Circuit here
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2021, 11:56:50 pm »
D1 and D2 form a 2 diode full wave rectifier oh yeah, not a full wave rectifier, i red the schematic wrong  :palm:
« Last Edit: December 15, 2021, 12:06:41 am by Anthocyanina »
 

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Re: What is the purpose of D1 Diode in the Cap Dropper Circuit here
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2021, 12:40:09 am »
C1 needs a path for current to flow when V2 swings negative. Otherwise it would just charge up to the +peak voltage via D2 and the load/D3. Once C1 was fully charged, current would stop flowing through D2.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2021, 12:43:02 am by Kim Christensen »
 
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Re: What is the purpose of D1 Diode in the Cap Dropper Circuit here
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2021, 01:32:03 am »
Also, it act as a voltage doubler.
The negative half-wave charges the capacitor, that voltage is later in series with positive half-wave.
Depending on the capacitor value, you could obtain close to 2x the peak ac voltage.
This also allows to use a smaller capacitor for the dropper circuit.
The bad part is that's a half wave rectifier, so the output will have plenty of ripple.

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Re: What is the purpose of D1 Diode in the Cap Dropper Circuit here
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2021, 06:13:11 am »
Also, it act as a voltage doubler.
Depending on the capacitor value, you could obtain close to 2x the peak ac voltage.

Although in this particular circuit the output is limited to 12V by D3.
 

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Re: What is the purpose of D1 Diode in the Cap Dropper Circuit here
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2021, 10:29:39 am »
As mentioned above, without D1, C1 will just charge up and no current will flow.

There should be a 1M discharge resistor connected across C1, so it isn't a shock hazard, when the mains is disconnected.

A fuse, is required to protect against fire, if C1 fails.

A diode can be saved, if D1 is removed and the zener, D3 is move in its place, but the output voltage will be reduced by a diode drop, about 0.7V.

Consider increasing C2 to 22µF, for better smoothing and to absorb the current surge, rather than it passing through the zener diode.

Warning: everything connected to this circuit should be treated with the same precautions as mains voltage. The entire circuit should be placed in an insulated enclosure, made from a flame retardant material. If the enclosure it metallic, it needs to be connected to earth/ground.
 
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Re: What is the purpose of D1 Diode in the Cap Dropper Circuit here
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2021, 10:50:43 am »
In such designs, R1 should be a 'fusible resistor', fulfilling the functions of protection both against fast transients and short-circuit failure of C1.
 
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Re: What is the purpose of D1 Diode in the Cap Dropper Circuit here
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2021, 11:51:42 pm »
A diode can be saved, if D1 is removed and the zener, D3 is move in its place, but the output voltage will be reduced by a diode drop, about 0.7V.
This is the only correct answer :D
It also improves reliability, because if the zener gets disconnected, the PSU will simply stop working (as opposed to frying its load with overvoltage).

I will add that there are 13V zeners easily available if 11~11.5V is unacceptably low.
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Re: What is the purpose of D1 Diode in the Cap Dropper Circuit here
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2021, 10:31:51 pm »
A diode can be saved, if D1 is removed and the zener, D3 is move in its place, but the output voltage will be reduced by a diode drop, about 0.7V.
This is the only correct answer :D
It also improves reliability, because if the zener gets disconnected, the PSU will simply stop working (as opposed to frying its load with overvoltage).

I will add that there are 13V zeners easily available if 11~11.5V is unacceptably low.
That's a very good point.

And as I said, C2 should be much bigger. When the power is turned on, C1 and C2 form a capacitive divider. C2 needs to be large enough so it doesn't charge to too higher voltage, when the power is first turned on.

C2 > C1×(VIN√2-VOUT)/VOUT

Therefore
VIN = 120VAC
VOUT = 12V
C1 = 1.5µF

C2 > 1.5×(120√2-12)/12 = 1.5×(170-12)/12 = 1.5×158/12 = 19.75µF

So 22µF as I mentioned in my previous post will be ideal.
 


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