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Offline Kevin.DTopic starter

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Removing noise spikes generated by fan
« on: January 02, 2013, 09:47:44 pm »
Hi guys .
I am buiding a project and I am using standard pc cpu fans in it ,they are generating noise on my power lines and I need to get rid of it .
They are the 3 wire fans with the  tacho output ,I am NOT using the tacho output ,just leaving it unconnected.
 When using them The fans I have here are generating what
Looks like bursts of 3 MHz noise pulses at the frequency of the fan ,each packet last about .1 mS they are about 200mV - 400mV p-p   .Looks like there is  some other very minor noise  present to.
How  to get rid of it .? 

Thanks in advance
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Re: Removing noise spikes generated by fan
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2013, 11:11:55 pm »
A 10uF ceramic capacitor connected directly across the fan's leads at the point where they connect to your board should help a lot, if you don't have one already.

If that doesn't help, look carefully at your layout. Can you post a photo of your board showing exactly where the fan's leads attach to it?

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Re: Removing noise spikes generated by fan
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2013, 04:56:35 am »
100uF low ESR cap, 10R 0.5W resistor and another 100uF low ESR cap after it, both with a 100n chip ceranic across them. negative lead to go to the capacitor pad and then to the first capacitor pad, then connect to the ground plane.
 

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Re: Removing noise spikes generated by fan
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2013, 03:26:45 pm »
Or you might go as far as threading the fan wires through a ferrite bead?
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Re: Removing noise spikes generated by fan
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2013, 03:43:40 pm »
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Looks like bursts of 3 MHz noise pulses at the frequency of the fan ,each packet last about .1 mS they are about 200mV - 400mV p-p

I'd start by throwing out the fan, it should not behave like an AWG.
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Re: Removing noise spikes generated by fan
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2013, 08:59:36 pm »
100uF low ESR cap, 10R 0.5W resistor and another 100uF low ESR cap after it, both with a 100n chip ceranic across them. negative lead to go to the capacitor pad and then to the first capacitor pad, then connect to the ground plane.
I've discovered that different model of fans, even from the same manufacturer, have different noise (more than 20 dB difference between two 24 V, 80 x 80 x 25 mm fans from a top-rated Company (SunOn)).
SeanB' proposal works well, but I prefer to power the fan from unregulated DC, before voltage regulation, with an appropriate series resistor (to get the correct voltage across the fan) and a BIG electrolytic capacitor in parallel with the fan. The negative wire must be connected to ground at a suitable point, to be found by experiment, usually near the negative pin of the main supply's filter capacitor.
Noise seem to increase with current, so using an higher voltage fan sometimes helps.
My preferred solution (with dual rail supplies) is to power the fan from positive  unregulated DC to negative unregulated DC, with two suitable series resistors, a big electrolytic in parallel with the fan. No connection to circuit ground.
Typical values (from +/- 24 V dc unregulated) are two 330 ohms / 2W resistor and a 470 uF capacitor, resulting in about 15 V driving a 24 V fan at a lower than nominal speed.
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