non reprogrammable gate array as aposed to field reprogrammable gate array

[mikeselectricstuff]

If you really must know,   its a robot, and i don't want it repurposed to something dangerous.  Its supposed to not hurt anyone,  but it can be reconfigured to do so.
Its important.  Complete board swapping it means they dont take advantage of my AI to do it,  then I have no liability.

If someone modifies your product and makes it dangerous, that's their fault,not yours.
Seriously, spend your time making a product and stop wasting brain-space worrying about unlikely scenarios like this.

Maybe in a legal sense,  but really?   Its my fricken fault if it happens.

No it isn't. It's the fault of the person who modifies it. As long as you have taken reasonable steps ( e.g. signed firmware updates). 
And if your product is something that's potentially dangerous, focus on making it safe when it's used correctly before worrying about what someone else might do

[Capernicus]

As A.I. gradually increases in complexity,  it becomes more weaponizable.   Its ok for something like a roomba, theres no way that thing could be dangerous, but if the thing is doing the dishes for you, that thing is potentially fricken dangerous if they can repurpose the thing.  Autonomous cars are in the same situation,  thats why I thought openpilot (George Hotz) is such a bad idea just teaching everyone how to do it.   But I guess its whats happening...

[I wanted a rude username]

Its ok for something like a roomba, theres no way that thing could be dangerous

Users will find a way. Don't bame yourself.



I agree the priority should be to bring the product to market. You probably have much more complex challenges ahead than this peripheral concern.

[Capernicus]

Its ok for something like a roomba, theres no way that thing could be dangerous

Users will find a way. Don't bame yourself.



I agree the priority should be to bring the product to market. You probably have much more complex challenges ahead than this peripheral concern.

Realisticly tho,  without a complete reprogram that thing would do a pretty shit job at being a soldier.    and then after the software is fixed (perhaps a little.) it wont be able to make it out the door frame because its useless mobility.    May as well be a completely new robot after its finished being worked apon.

So if you know how to do better,  you dont have to tell a soul if you dont want to.

[Capernicus]

What if it was a smart rifle that only can be activated when one guy uses it and noone else?   u dont want that tampered with!!!

[Bud]

please explain.   (ip?)

Intellectual Property.

[Capernicus]

please explain.   (ip?)

Intellectual Property.

well what isnt that IMO.

[gnuarm]

If you really must know,   its a robot, and i don't want it repurposed to something dangerous.  Its supposed to not hurt anyone,  but it can be reconfigured to do so.
Its important.  Complete board swapping it means they dont take advantage of my AI to do it,  then I have no liability.

If they load a distinct design into your hardware... well you have no more liability than you describe above.  So are you trying to prevent the loading of a distinct design, or them reverse engineering your design?  They are totally different things or at least are prevented using different measures.

[gnuarm]

If you really must know,   its a robot, and i don't want it repurposed to something dangerous.  Its supposed to not hurt anyone,  but it can be reconfigured to do so.
Its important.  Complete board swapping it means they dont take advantage of my AI to do it,  then I have no liability.

If someone modifies your product and makes it dangerous, that's their fault,not yours.
Seriously, spend your time making a product and stop wasting brain-space worrying about unlikely scenarios like this.

Maybe in a legal sense,  but really?   Its my fricken fault if it happens.

Of course it's not your fault if it happens.  Even if you provided tools for someone to explore programming a robot, all you really need is a warning about the potential harm presented in appropriate format and location, etc. and you are off the hook 99.99%.  Not 100% because as someone has pointed out there are no absolutes in the law and more so in civil law.  By not providing tools and someone having to essentially jailbreak the robot it makes a very hard to prove a case that you were in any way negligent by not encrypting bit streams and snipping the programming pins and encapsulating the entire modules, etc.   

Also,  what if its not legal in Japan to own it?   That has to stay UNMODIFIED in the system.
Since Japs are so good at technology, they can make it them bloody selves,  the amount of crap they put on us in this area pisses me off.

I have no idea what you are trying to say with this.  Illegal to own what?

[gnuarm]

Realisticly tho,  without a complete reprogram that thing would do a pretty shit job at being a soldier.    and then after the software is fixed (perhaps a little.) it wont be able to make it out the door frame because its useless mobility.    May as well be a completely new robot after its finished being worked apon.

So if you know how to do better,  you dont have to tell a soul if you dont want to.

You have no imagination.  The Roomba only needs to plug in to charge at the right time, blow the circuit it is in and kills the power to your iron lung.  Or 10,000 Roombas do this at the exact same instant and blow the power to the city, the county, 100,000,000 Roombas blow the power across the country bringing the grid to it's knees causing nuclear missiles to be launched... well, maybe not nuke missiles, but the nuke power plants can't be shut down rapidly and would have to be scrammed meaning they are down for a week. 

Yeah, that could happen, seriously.

[gnuarm]

please explain.   (ip?)

Intellectual Property.

well what isnt that IMO.

[Capernicus]

If you really must know,   its a robot, and i don't want it repurposed to something dangerous.  Its supposed to not hurt anyone,  but it can be reconfigured to do so.
Its important.  Complete board swapping it means they dont take advantage of my AI to do it,  then I have no liability.

If they load a distinct design into your hardware... well you have no more liability than you describe above.  So are you trying to prevent the loading of a distinct design, or them reverse engineering your design?  They are totally different things or at least are prevented using different measures.

I need to stop both of those,   I just dont care if they swap the logic completely, I just dont want to be giving them any helping hand to getting their job done for them.


Theres probably something I can do,  the more from scratch I do it possibly the better the security is, because it isnt a commonplace generic technology anymore.  and that would add some confusion to the situation.

[gnuarm]

If you really must know,   its a robot, and i don't want it repurposed to something dangerous.  Its supposed to not hurt anyone,  but it can be reconfigured to do so.
Its important.  Complete board swapping it means they dont take advantage of my AI to do it,  then I have no liability.

If they load a distinct design into your hardware... well you have no more liability than you describe above.  So are you trying to prevent the loading of a distinct design, or them reverse engineering your design?  They are totally different things or at least are prevented using different measures.

I need to stop both of those,   I just dont care if they swap the logic completely, I just dont want to be giving them any helping hand to getting their job done for them.

Ok, I'm about to give up.  You say you need to stop both, then you say you don't care about one.  I don't understand what you are saying or you don't understand what I am saying. 

Theres probably something I can do,  the more from scratch I do it possibly the better the security is, because it isnt a commonplace generic technology anymore.  and that would add some confusion to the situation.

All you need is the sort of security the Xilinx chips offer.  Use the built in encryption and that will prevent both.