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Offline humidbeingTopic starter

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Clamping a negative voltage supply rail?
« on: November 02, 2023, 05:57:40 am »
I'm designing a low power -5V supply circuit. How do I go about protecting voltage from going too negative? Like if the 7905 failed and decided to let -12V through to the output?

Normally, for a positive supply, I would use a polyfuse then a varistor across + and GND. Do varistors work on a negative supply? I googled but couldn't find the answer.

Here's an example of what I have so far. (Capacitance not shown).

 

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Re: Clamping a negative voltage supply rail?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2023, 11:23:06 am »
Yes, varistors work with either polarity, but a crowbar circuit would be better.
 

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Re: Clamping a negative voltage supply rail?
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2023, 04:08:56 am »
Seems impossible to find crowbar examples for negative supplies.
 

Offline Kim Christensen

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Re: Clamping a negative voltage supply rail?
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2023, 04:52:23 am »
Just move the 0V, or ground reference point "to the top":
 
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Re: Clamping a negative voltage supply rail?
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2023, 06:30:57 am »
Or use a TL431 (vs zener) for better control (see attached screenshot and simulation).
To trigger, adjust the pots until 2.5V appears between TL431 ref and anode.  The simulator seems to have a problem (keeps tripping after backing-off the pots and clicking RUN/Stop then Reset buttons) so just reload the page for a fresh start.
Circuit taken from here.

You can adapt this to your specific need by placing the triac+fuse before your regulator and the rest (pot+resistor divider, TL431) after your regulator. Maybe even drop the pot for a fixed 1.1k; together with the 1k, the crowbar would trip at about +/-5.4V.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2023, 07:16:03 am by pqass »
 

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Re: Clamping a negative voltage supply rail?
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2023, 01:13:33 pm »
There is no real difference between a "positive" and a "negative" voltage. It is only a matter of taking some arbitrary point and defining that as a zero or "GND" reference. Often a "logical" zero / gnd reference is chosen, but this is only a convention to make schematics easier to read.
 


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