Author Topic: ATX conversion question  (Read 2138 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline shoboTopic starter

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 64
  • Country: ro
ATX conversion question
« on: December 09, 2017, 02:50:16 pm »
i'm planning to do an ATX conversion to make myself the most basic of bench power supply.

The plan is to get a 24 pin extender to breakout the wires and keep the psu untouched.

Since the PSU is a really cheap and i doubt it has multiple rails can the power resistor could be added with an adapter to one of the sata cables with an adapter?

The resistor i plan to add is a 10w to the 5v line.
 

Offline madires

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 8175
  • Country: de
  • A qualified hobbyist ;)
Re: ATX conversion question
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2017, 03:33:44 pm »
Maybe a better option:
 
The following users thanked this post: janoc

Offline cdev

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • !
  • Posts: 7350
  • Country: 00
Re: ATX conversion question
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2017, 04:12:06 pm »
Those supplies still need a source of voltage to regulate, so teaming up an ATX supply with one of them makes sense.

An ATX supply with give you a bunch of fixed voltages and currents and could be teamed up with one of the DC-DC converter modules to give you a single output with controlled current for prototyping.

That's a good all around solution for a bench.
"What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away."
 

Offline rstofer

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 9935
  • Country: us
Re: ATX conversion question
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2017, 12:28:00 am »
I'm not sure why you are using the resistor...

Here is a neat way to set up the ATX supply:
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12867

Notice that the gadget has fuses.  This is important because the ATX has far more current capability than you want to have in a bench supply.  The magic smoke comes out of chips really quick when the power supply doesn't limit the current in any meaningful way.
 

Offline phil from seattle

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 1044
  • Country: us
Re: ATX conversion question
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2017, 01:09:19 am »
The resistor is there because most (all?) PC power supplies need a minimum load to start.

I agree that current limiting is very important, not just with a beast supply. My dual channel, no-name Chinese bench supply has decent current limiting and I will set it to usually about 2X my max expectation.  Saved my @$$ multiple times. 
« Last Edit: December 10, 2017, 01:15:51 am by phil from seattle »
 

Offline rstofer

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 9935
  • Country: us
Re: ATX conversion question
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2017, 01:30:46 am »
I have read about the resistor requirement but I don't have one on my converted ATX supply and it seems to work fine.  I just installed the kit according to the directions and it all seems to work.

Maybe things have changed over the years.  I would just install the kit and see what happens.
 

Offline Seich

  • Newbie
  • Posts: 9
  • Country: hn
  • I am three as you are one.
    • Seich's Blog
Re: ATX conversion question
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2017, 04:05:46 am »
I'm not sure why you are using the resistor...

Here is a neat way to set up the ATX supply:
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12867

Notice that the gadget has fuses.  This is important because the ATX has far more current capability than you want to have in a bench supply.  The magic smoke comes out of chips really quick when the power supply doesn't limit the current in any meaningful way.

I got that same kit a while ago before I got a proper power supply and it worked pretty well. If it's an option for you I'd go with it. It's fairly painless to setup and is well constructed. The fuses are a nice touch.

It's also pretty easy to build a case around. The schematic is also available, if really want a completely diy solution it might come in handy: https://cdn.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Kits/Benchtop%20Power%20Supply-v13.pdf

 

Offline ChrisLX200

  • Supporter
  • ****
  • Posts: 458
  • Country: gb
Re: ATX conversion question
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2017, 08:43:57 am »
There are all sorts of breakout boards for ATX PSUs, I used a different one but the functionality is the same. Also 3D printed a nice case for it.
 

Offline netdudeuk

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 462
  • Country: gb
Re: ATX conversion question
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2017, 08:54:06 am »
 

Offline rstofer

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 9935
  • Country: us
Re: ATX conversion question
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2017, 04:39:13 pm »
Cheaper and with polyfuses

https://m.seeedstudio.com/productDetail/1222

Plus it has the load resistor, if required.

Nice!
 

Offline shoboTopic starter

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 64
  • Country: ro
Re: ATX conversion question
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2017, 09:14:50 pm »
I'm not sure why you are using the resistor...

Here is a neat way to set up the ATX supply:
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12867

Notice that the gadget has fuses.  This is important because the ATX has far more current capability than you want to have in a bench supply.  The magic smoke comes out of chips really quick when the power supply doesn't limit the current in any meaningful way.

The shipping will kill me.for the moment an ATX extender and a minimum of 4 banana plugs would be something around 7 dollars + a power resistor for 3 and change.
 

Offline robotic

  • Contributor
  • Posts: 26
  • Country: ca
Re: ATX conversion question
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2017, 10:26:20 pm »
Wow didn't know there were so many options.  I was going to do the same type of thing (but cut the wires as I have so many power supplies [salvaged from old PCs]).  After buying a used power supply, it's been night and day though.  I love being able to see the amperage draw and adjusting the voltage and such.   I would get the DPS powersupply for $25-$50USD (depending on model).
However the ATX conversion is great for simple things like powering my 12v lipo chargers so I don't have to constantly disconnect and reconnect things.
 

Offline SteveSi

  • Contributor
  • Posts: 16
  • Country: gb
Re: ATX conversion question
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2019, 03:25:06 pm »
I am also planning an ATX PSU + DPS3005 + USB PSU.
So this gives me all the ATX rails + a variable, current limited rail.

However, I really want the DPS3005 to provide 15V max.

I thus plan to use -12V and +12V from the ATX PSU to connect to the DPS3005 - but will this give me a problem with the earth - for instance, if I connect the ground of my scope to the 'gnd' output on the DPS3005 then will I get magic smoke?

If so, would it be better to get the buck-boost DPH5005 module instead and feed it 12V to get a 0-50V output?
 

Offline janoc

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3885
  • Country: de
Re: ATX conversion question
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2019, 04:45:27 pm »
The resistor is there because most (all?) PC power supplies need a minimum load to start.

Most newer supplies have the resistor built-in, so there is no need for an external resistor. It isn't only for starting the supply up but also to ensure a minimal load current in order to maintain the supply in regulation.

The resistor is included in the kit because people often recycle old junk from discarded computers which may not have these.
 

Offline madires

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 8175
  • Country: de
  • A qualified hobbyist ;)
Re: ATX conversion question
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2019, 05:37:30 pm »
I thus plan to use -12V and +12V from the ATX PSU to connect to the DPS3005

The -12V rail of most ATX PSUs delivers just 0.5A, way too low. The next issue is that the PSU's ground is connected to earth/PE and therefore you won't get an isolated output. And since the -12V rail is going to be ground for the DPS3005 a scope with ground connected to earth/PE would create a short circuit on the -12V rail. Either get a decent PSU or buy the DPH5005 (not isolated due to the ATX PSU).
 


Share me

Digg  Facebook  SlashDot  Delicious  Technorati  Twitter  Google  Yahoo
Smf