Science must be abolished according to UCT students as it is Racist.

[tszaboo]

Of course they have universities in Africa.

Seems like, your sarcasm detector is broken.
I read scientific papers, so far none of which I can remember came from africa. Also, when I'm thinking about Cape town, I'm thinking about highest murder rates, not "hmm... I wonder what universities they have there". So they have some PR to do. This video is surely not helping that.

[VK3DRB]

She is right with one thing... equations are not the only way to explain gravity. We can measure it. We know how it behaves to an extent. But we don't know what it actually is.

[daqq]

But we don't know what it actually is.

Possibly African black magic?

[setq]

She is right with one thing... equations are not the only way to explain gravity. We can measure it. We know how it behaves to an extent. But we don't know what it actually is.

Yet.

[depeje]

What I never understood, there is equality, right? Every color is equal.

Legally there is equality, yes. That's about it. But when you look around there, you see every kind of job, or region has a fixed color. (Except for the little initiatives to create equality in practice.)

[dannyf]

"but why is it the white one who seems to be taking all the heat for past atrocities commited by a few."

Because many whites are prone to white guilt. Some white people were wrong then to have exploited others (African slaves in particular). Sone white people are wrong today to force the whole society of innocent people, people who have absolute nothing to do with the sins of the past, to be exploited through modern forms of racism.

Racism was wrong then and it is wrong today, no matter how "noble" its intentions are.

[Don Hills]

She is right with one thing... equations are not the only way to explain gravity. We can measure it. We know how it behaves to an extent. But we don't know what it actually is.

You mean I could wake up one morning to a news headline, "Law of Gravity Repealed!"?

[TerraHertz]

But we don't know what it actually is.

Possibly African black magic?

By the way, google gravity emergent property of curved space
I like this.

[MK14]

She is right with one thing... equations are not the only way to explain gravity. We can measure it. We know how it behaves to an extent. But we don't know what it actually is.

You mean I could wake up one morning to a news headline, "Law of Gravity Repealed!"?

Their new theory goes something like this...

WHITE = Antarctica = Earth = Full/Normal Gravity Levels

BLACK= Dark Outer Space = ZERO/No Gravity Levels

Therefore, given the divisions between WHITE and BLACK, this means that Gravity is Racist.

Since Gravity is an important part of Science, this also means that Science is Racist.

Since Science is racist, it means that All Universities must be shut down immediately and all Black students should be given lots of money and attention, because of the University closing down.

Anyone who disagrees with this is RACIST.

[vodka]

She is right with one thing... equations are not the only way to explain gravity. We can measure it. We know how it behaves to an extent. But we don't know what it actually is.

You mean I could wake up one morning to a news headline, "Law of Gravity Repealed!"?

Their new theory goes something like this...

WHITE = Antarctica = Earth = Full/Normal Gravity Levels

BLACK= Dark Outer Space = ZERO/No Gravity Levels

Therefore, given the divisions between WHITE and BLACK, this means that Gravity is Racist.

Since Gravity is an important part of Science, this also means that Science is Racist.

Since Science is racist, it means that All Universities must be shut down immediately and all Black students should be given lots of money and attention, because of the University closing down.

Anyone who disagrees with this is RACIST.

Shortly , they will invade with their Nucelar Engineers , yes such as sound "Nu-ce-lar" because the whites write and pronounce bad the word "Nuclear" .

https://youtu.be/9OCAL5ObBKU

[MK14]

That would be funny, sadly though it's pretty accurate in todays PC, affirmitive action and white guilt world.

It reminds me of some of the TV/movies that I watched from the 1970's and 1980's (and other time periods), which showed people in the distant future, doing similar strange/crazy stuff. Which to some extent is coming true today.
E.g. Woody Allen's Sleeper film.

I accept it is totally different (between now and those films), but in a vague, wishy washy sense, I can see a connection.

What the girl/student said in the video (OP), was WRONG about the witch doctors, voodoo black magic, controlling lightning, to directionally hit desired targets. Being impossible/disregarded as regards science.

She/they can (if they want), create the hypothesis/theory, that what those village people believe about lightning being controllable by voodoo/witchcraft, IS TRUE.
She/they can then go through the scientific process, and gather evidence that supports the new theory/hypothesis. Since she has (apparently) NOT done this, she has no business blaming science for NOT doing it. It is up to her and her group to prove it.

If the scientists using the Large Hadron Collider, want to come up with a new theory/hypothesis about science. They also need to go through the same process. It is NOTHING to do with prejudice/racialism or any other bias. We all need to do it.

tl;dr
Science is relatively fair and prejudice/racialism free.
Otherwise brilliant/famous scientists such as Stephen Hawking, would have been unsuccessful, because of bias towards severe disability.
Stephen Hawking, is a good example of science being unbiased as regards the individual(s) behind the new scientific discoveries.

Shortly , they will invade with their Nucelar Engineers , yes such as sound "Nu-ce-lar" because the whites write and pronounce bad the word "Nuclear" .

There have been a number of (usually BBC) news reports, where things have had to be changed (or seriously considered changing), due to complaints/pressure from certain minorities.

Example:
Innocent children's cartoon, where complaint(s) were about some moving visuals where they claimed it was religious/sacred writings. Despite the author(s) or similar, saying it was just random text. They were forced to pull the entire program.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/controversy-erupts-over-fireman-sam-scene-where-characters-trips-quran-881440811

[kxenos]

We cannot be responsible for our ancestors deeds good or bad or their mistakes...

Why can't or shouldn't you? And what does "responsible" mean to you in this context? ...<much philosophical stuff goes here>... so the main issue here is the merit, the moral value of the acts, but for sure we have to recognise the contribution of good or bad acts of our ancestors in almost all aspects of our life. But if we recognise such a contribution then ...<some more philosophical stuff goes here>... and so the right thing to do is

...giving pardons to homo sexual's convicted in the past under laws that were in place at the time...

Like Alan Turing for example. Again merit. Yes, that whould be a good start...

end up with the mentality of ISIS and Al-Qaeda.

Of course this is wrong for the reasons I've explained. You can't rectify a bad with an other one, and anyway they don't even try to do that. This is a totally different issue.

Hope that cleared that up for you 

[vodka]

We cannot be responsible for our ancestors deeds good or bad or their mistakes...

Why can't or shouldn't you? And what does "responsible" mean to you in this context? ...<much philosophical stuff goes here>... so the main issue here is the merit, the moral value of the acts, but for sure we have to recognise the contribution of good or bad acts of our ancestors in almost all aspects of our life. But if we recognise such a contribution then ...<some more philosophical stuff goes here>... and so the right thing to do is

Because i have to  excuse for the "Catalan Revenge*" and why  don't the greeks  have to excuse for not paying and  killed by treason to Roger de Flor, leader  of the Catalan Company.

It would have to be reciprocal.


*History of the  Catalan Revenge

  The bizantine king , Andronic II contracted to  soldier of fortune Roger de Flor and their Almogavar Company  for avoiding the Ottoman expansion. The Roger de Flor and his company infiltrated on ottomans territories  during  4 or 5 years ,where they begin to screwed  to ottomans and  they put looking  to ottomans towards the Mecca. At battles with a  proportion of  almogavars were  1 versus 4 or 5 ottomans.
When the Roger de Flor went to recieve the money , Andronic II contracted to the Alans for murdering to Roger. When the rest of his men found out his dead, they decided to raze all Greece during  almost a century . .

[langwadt]

What I never understood, there is equality, right? Every color is equal.

Legally there is equality, yes. That's about it. But when you look around there, you see every kind of job, or region has a fixed color. (Except for the little initiatives to create equality in practice.)

when you go beyond legal equality you quickly move towards a "equality of outcome" vs.  "equality of opportunity" 

[CatalinaWOW]

We cannot be responsible for our ancestors deeds good or bad or their mistakes, we can look at them and hopefully learn though. The modern craze of apologising for our ancestors mistakes or wrong doings infuriates me, an article in the news last night was about giving pardons to homo sexual's convicted in the past under laws that were in place at the time, this seems absolutely ludicrous to me. The government of today was not responsible for the laws passed back then or the enforcement of such laws (all it can do is repeal such laws). Might as well give pardons to all the people that got deported to Australia in the past for pinching half a loaf of bread or the people who got executed for theft in the past where dose it stop all this hand wringing and self flagellation. If you keep on down the track of past mistakes or wrongs especially perceived wrongs to one self or nation you end up with the mentality of ISIS and Al-Qaeda.

I suspect something other than an apology is due for forcing people to leave a cold, rainy and crowded island and go live someplace with a temperate climate and lots of room.  That is another problem with apologies and reparations.  Sometimes the offended parties have done quite well, better than they probably would have if left alone.  Sorting out what is "fair" is confusing and a waste of time.  Hard enough to figure out what is fair going forward.

[langwadt]

We cannot be responsible for our ancestors deeds good or bad or their mistakes, we can look at them and hopefully learn though. The modern craze of apologising for our ancestors mistakes or wrong doings infuriates me, an article in the news last night was about giving pardons to homo sexual's convicted in the past under laws that were in place at the time, this seems absolutely ludicrous to me. The government of today was not responsible for the laws passed back then or the enforcement of such laws (all it can do is repeal such laws). Might as well give pardons to all the people that got deported to Australia in the past for pinching half a loaf of bread or the people who got executed for theft in the past where dose it stop all this hand wringing and self flagellation. If you keep on down the track of past mistakes or wrongs especially perceived wrongs to one self or nation you end up with the mentality of ISIS and Al-Qaeda.

I suspect something other than an apology is due for forcing people to leave a cold, rainy and crowded island and go live someplace with a temperate climate and lots of room.  That is another problem with apologies and reparations.  Sometimes the offended parties have done quite well, better than they probably would have if left alone.  Sorting out what is "fair" is confusing and a waste of time.  Hard enough to figure out what is fair going forward.

sorta Muhammad Ali after his fight in Africa.  "Champ, what did you think of Africa?" Ali replied, "Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat!"

and while we are in the philosophical corner. A man rapes a women and they have child, should that child be guilty and apologize to his mom
that his dad was a terrible person? He clearly benefited from his dads crime, without it he wouldn't have been born 

[dannyf]

There are reports today that there was or is "intense" discussion within Facebook about deleting certain of trumps posts on the basis that they are considered "hate speech".

Decades ago, when hate speech laws were discussed, I thought it poses more risk to free speech than anything else. Unfortunately, it turns out to be true.

Let's see how long democracy will stand.

[dannyf]

"Hard enough to figure out what is fair going forward."

Absolutely. Our dear leader Mr. Obama likes to champaign everything under the notion of fairness, without ever being chanllenged by the press on what exactly he meant by "fair": is it fair to give everyone a chance at the starting line? Is it fair to start everyone at the starting line? Is it fair to weigh down some people so others can have a better chance at the finish line? Should some people start ahead and others start behind?

Without a clearly articulated and agreed to standard of " fairness", it is grossly unfair to advocate one version of "fairness" over another.

And that's precisely what some people are attempting to do. Deceiption at its best.

[dannyf]

A common theme in both the "racist" and "fairness" discussion is the lack of definition of just what is a "racist" or "fairness".

That ambiguity isn't without strategic thinking: a lack of clarity allows those with a microphone to shout out their opponents.

That's precisely what is happening in the world of PC.

[kxenos]

It’s been my experience that those who talk like you are usually ones who are

a.)   Sitting in a nice cushy cash for life government job.
b.)   Already made their own financial security and don’t mind if others now make the sacrifice so you can feel intellectually and morally superior. Sitting up on your ivory tower is a saying that comes to mind.

More hypocrisy goes here…

There is nothing stopping you or people of similar view points from donating your time or a certain percentage of your cushy pension (no doubt from the tax payers’ tit) to the poor unfortunate souls descendants whose ancestors were wronged hundreds of years ago.

Considering at one point in time pretty well every society or individual has had an injustice done to them when exactly would you like us to stop reflecting? I believe we learn from our past but to expect others to pay for things done hundreds of years if not longer before they were born is ludicrous. Trying to right a wrong done hundreds of years ago by actually repeating them against a group of people is also ludicrous. Sometimes people just get away with shit, live their life and die and therefore can’t be punished, that’s the way it goes sometimes it’s not right but its reality. Punishing others for it is just wrong.

More doses of reality go here…

Oh, nice. I'll tell you who the hypocrite is here. You attack me instead of the argument you

The fact that I was a government employee is true and stated at my first post in this blog. The vast amounts of money government employees receive in Greece and most other countries in the world is also well-known. But one point you make is I didn't earn it as painfully as you maybe? Not that it makes any of this any better, or makes any difference in this discussion but I started working when I was 14y.o as a carpenter and I continued working while going to high-school, university and master's deg. while learning English and German. So, no Ahmed, I didn't have an easy life and my startup is too small to have any financial security.

I made a comment that indicated (I'm pointing this out because obviously you're incapable of understanding it) that these subjects are difficult philosophical ones with no easy definitive answer.
But here goes the main part of this reply to indicate who is the hypocrite here...
I didn't wrote about any recuperations, and I didn't ask you or anybody else to pay-back money to anyone but the mere fact that you subconsciously correlate whether a historic fact is right or wrong to the financial expenses it might put you into, this, my friend, is a fucking hypocritical thing to do.

In the article you link to, there is the opinion that we don't owe to black people even if we have dragged them here, because this action helped them out and benefited them and their children in the long run. This is an other hypocritical idea because it tries to assign moral value (we benefited them) to an action (us bringing blacks in America) where there is none. And there is none because what counts for the morality of an action is the telos, the end, the goal or the reason or the purpose of the action.

See Ahmed, opinions are like assholes...everybody has one. I didn't show you mine until you asked for it. Please try to hide yours

Still, if you're interested in having a polite, civilized conversation WITH ARGUMENTS like grown ups and WITHOUT calling names at each other and accusing the other that is hypocrite or unrealistic or of views that he never expressed, I would gladly part-take into it.
Regards

[Cerebus]

We cannot be responsible for our ancestors deeds good or bad or their mistakes, we can look at them and hopefully learn though. The modern craze of apologising for our ancestors mistakes or wrong doings infuriates me, an article in the news last night was about giving pardons to homo sexual's convicted in the past under laws that were in place at the time, this seems absolutely ludicrous to me. The government of today was not responsible for the laws passed back then or the enforcement of such laws (all it can do is repeal such laws). Might as well give pardons to all the people that got deported to Australia in the past for pinching half a loaf of bread or the people who got executed for theft in the past where dose it stop all this hand wringing and self flagellation. If you keep on down the track of past mistakes or wrongs especially perceived wrongs to one self or nation you end up with the mentality of ISIS and Al-Qaeda.

A pardon is not an apology. A pardon removes a criminal conviction as if it was not there. The pardons are for living people only. It wouldn't seem ludicrous to you if it was you who had a criminal record for a sexual offence that is not an offence nowadays and the vast majority would argue should never have been. Would you really be happy to have a criminal record for "gross indecency with a minor" for having sex that is nowadays lawful? The state formally 'forgiving' past offences is a very different thing from what you're complaining about (with which I largely agree as it happens).

[timb]

Example:
Innocent children's cartoon, where complaint(s) were about some moving visuals where they claimed it was religious/sacred writings. Despite the author(s) or similar, saying it was just random text. They were forced to pull the entire program.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/controversy-erupts-over-fireman-sam-scene-where-characters-trips-quran-881440811

Huh. I didn't know Dave created children's television shows too... Where does he find the time?M

Fireman Sam creator David Jones has previously found himself under fire after he was held for questioning for asking why a veiled woman was allowed through airport security without being checked.

Dave has had quite a career:

Singer/Pop Icon (People say he monkeys around...)
TV Show Creator/Producer
Electronics Engineer
Writer
Internet Dating Expert
and Closet Racist!

[dannyf]

"This is an other hypocritical idea "

I have a perfect solution for this. You think it is the right thing to do to offer restitution to descendants of former slaves and others don't.

I support your right to offer restitution 100 percent. Just as I think unfair for others to deny your right to offer rrstituion, I think it also unfair for you to force others to pay rrstituion.

Then why don't we unite in supporting s involuntary tax on those who support restituion? That way, you are able to retain the ability to offer restituion and others don't get forced to pay restitution they don't wish to pay.

A win-win situation.

So why are you hesitating for?

[dannyf]

Deep down, I suspect that you aren't interested in offering restituion to those harmed by slavery, as much as you are interested in offering restitution out of other peoples pockets.

That is the hypocracy here.

[MK14]

Example:
Innocent children's cartoon, where complaint(s) were about some moving visuals where they claimed it was religious/sacred writings. Despite the author(s) or similar, saying it was just random text. They were forced to pull the entire program.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/controversy-erupts-over-fireman-sam-scene-where-characters-trips-quran-881440811

Huh. I didn't know Dave created children's television shows too... Where does he find the time?M

Fireman Sam creator David Jones has previously found himself under fire after he was held for questioning for asking why a veiled woman was allowed through airport security without being checked.

Dave has had quite a career:

Singer/Pop Icon (People say he monkeys around...)
TV Show Creator/Producer
Electronics Engineer
Writer
Internet Dating Expert
and Closet Racist!

When I read through your post, I could NOT understand it. I assumed I had messed up, or you were joking or something.

I actually read through that part, and did NOT notice he was called "David Jones", wow!
I was reading very quickly, I guess.

Except that "Jones" is a very common surname in the UK (especial Wales I believe).

Well spotted!
You had me fooled for a while. I thought you were mixed up and thought I was talking about an EEVblog video